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Cloning and power, clones in burgers?




by Christophe » 17/01/08, 11:01

The USA yesterday authorized the use of clones for human consumption. There is a good chance that the practice will come to us in the years to come.

Americans will soon have meat from cloned animals on their plates. Should we expect the same thing in Europe and in France?

A priori yes. AFSSA's report in 2005, as well as that of EFSA (the European agency), most recently (see box), concluded that the consumption of these animals did not pose more risks for humans.


But regardless of the location of these acts, because for me it still poses some "small" problems in the long term:

a) the impact on consumer health (obviously everyone thinks of this first) namely that the cells of a clone are the age of its "model".
I don't believe Science has explained and understood this yet ...

b) if the practice becomes widespread: decline and loss of genetic diversity which makes the survival force of a species, therefore fragility of the clones which could all be exterminated at the slightest benign contagious disease!

c) Correlation of b) increase doses of chemical "additives" (medicine, antibiotics, etc.) to compensate for failing immune systems... with the risks that this entails for the consumer of course!

d) Selection (natural) by humans and therefore eventually extermination of "natural" species but not productive enough! Even if the selection has been done for 100 years (maybe even more), there we crossed a threshold ... There was not a "biodiversity" section during the Grenelle?

I am surprised that no specialists speak of these drifts and are content with point a). The points b) and d) are much more awkward ... but the specialists know what they're doing huh ...

The biology specialties (ex-ocean?) Will no doubt have other fears, I stopped bio in 3rd ... so it made a yawning!

In any case the debate is launched!

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by Former Oceano » 17/01/08, 21:48

Cloning can also make it possible to multiply sterile GMOs. Mass-productive meat but unable to reproduce.

If we allow clones, the problem is solved.

In addition, we can hide the fact that it is a GMO thanks to the label 'food clone'.
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by Gregconstruct » 17/01/08, 22:00

Clones in the clown hamburger (Mc Do) it looks like a joke in bad taste (in more ways than one) ... :frown:
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by Christophe » 17/01/08, 23:50

Gregconstruct wrote:Clones in the clown hamburger (Mc Do) it looks like a joke in bad taste (in more ways than one) ... :frown:


Well it's no joke ... but I hesitated before writing this title ...

If we allow clones, the problem is solved.


Uh do you mean cloning clones?

I didn't know that there were already GMO cows ... I thought we were at the level of cereals and laboratory mice ... : Shock:

If GMOs are sterile, it is already proof that "nature" does not "love" them .... unless the sétrility is part of the modification for commercial notions?
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by Other » 18/01/08, 03:02

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Corollary of b) increase in doses of chemical "additives" (medication, antibiotics, etc.) to compensate for failing immune systems ... with the risks that this entails for the consumer of course!


It is one of the main causes of prostate cancer and intestines (the consumption of red meat animals stuffed with antibiotics)
the food of the Asians, are less subject than the North Americans. These Cancer are not genetic, because the Asians who live in the west of Canada are more affected than the other residents (continue to eat Mac Doo) that will cost less dear to retirement pension if you can get there.
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by Jaydi » 18/01/08, 08:32

If I understood correctly what ex-océano meant, it is that with cloning we can reproduce sterile species. As a result, sterile but highly productive species (in meat, milk, eggs, etc.) could be more widely exploited.
To see if I understand correctly ^^
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by Flytox » 18/01/08, 10:25

Bonjour Christophe
Christophe wrote:
a) the impact on consumer health (obviously everyone thinks of this first) namely that the cells of a clone are the age of its "model".
I don't believe Science has explained and understood this yet ...
...
I am surprised that no specialists speak of these drifts and are content with point a). The points b) and d) are much more awkward ... but the specialists know what they're doing huh ...


For the age of the cloned creature, it must be necessary to make nuances. For beef, for example, what we find in his meal is already intensive breeding of young animals. et old animals at the end of the line whose milk yield drops etc ... The right age criterion does not seem significant to me. :x

The criterion is that they want us to eat "semi-synthetic" meat without our knowing its effects on us. Always according to the good principle, first one sells the novelty and a few years later when the "invention" is already well established one starts to pretend to study the consequences under the pressure of the ecologists who noted the drifts on the land etc ...

Of course if the consequences are harmful, we will find a whole squad of politicars to buy in order to cover up the affair or delay the preventive measures. We always come back to the pattern of growth, we must at no time slow down "innovation" the headlong rush in search of money, whatever the consequences. : Evil:

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by Christophe » 18/01/08, 14:24

Hi Fly!

I do not believe that the old dairy is sold for human consumption ... It must be a little like the old hens or mutton that must be cooked for hours before they are edible ...

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by Flytox » 18/01/08, 21:15

Bonjour Christophe

You have 59% of the cows which are dairy cows, if you think that you do not eat them read the link below .....: Mrgreen:


http://agriculture.gouv.fr/esbinfo/fich ... bovins.htm

"Which cows go to the slaughterhouse?

Cows, whether dairy or nursing, go to the slaughterhouse when they are "at the end of their career". They are also called "cull cows". The average age of a cull dairy cow is between 5 and 8 years. As far as suckler cows are concerned, this age varies greatly according to the breeds and the breeding practices and ranges from 8 to 15 years. " : Mrgreen:
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by Gregconstruct » 18/01/08, 22:20

Christophe wrote:Well it's no joke ... but I hesitated before writing this title ...


I didn't take this for a joke, I'm the one who makes the sad humor : Cry:
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