Giant organic farm faces criticism that it is harming the environment
The company planned to make it an educational center to teach other farmers “how to implement organic and regenerative farming practices”.
Now some of Gunsmoke Farms' neighbors say the farm is doing more harm than good to the environment https://www.npr.org/2021/05/03/98998412 ... vironment-
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A giant organic farm (LOL) initiated by General Mills * is like saying a pedophile who is entrusted with a nursery. Thank you, Izy, for this ultimate stupid provocation. Even more than usual ...
* 6th agri-food group in the world which (almost) only manufactures junk food which has entrusted the management of this farm to an investment group weighing $ 91 billion, TPG.
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* 6th agri-food group in the world which (almost) only manufactures junk food which has entrusted the management of this farm to an investment group weighing $ 91 billion, TPG.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_M ... t_produits
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The problem is the essential plowing in a region where it has not been plowed for a long time, because of the known fragility of the soils. So organic impossible, mega farm or not.
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But for a petrochemical addict, it would be a great way to continue to poison the soil and the environment.
re-stupid! The organic farming does not require plowing, but allows it in certain circumstances where the farmer, trained and informed, must consider the need or not.The problem is the essential plowing in a region where it has not been plowed for a long time, because of the known fragility of the soils. So organic impossible, mega farm or not.
But for a petrochemical addict, it would be a great way to continue to poison the soil and the environment.
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izentrop wrote:The problem is the essential plowing in a region where it has not been plowed for a long time, because of the known fragility of the soils. So organic impossible, mega farm or not.
So why this stupid title?
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what is weird is that 2 people miles apart cannot criticize the "organic" part of this initiative while the locals do, would the locals have a more realistic view of the problem, so a better open-mindedness?
whatever the initiator of the project, the announced goal was to do "organic" research, so it should go in your direction? but do you really think that we are going to invest money to make a project labeled "organic" with the back thought of going down "organic"?
more conspiratorial than that, I do not see ...
whatever the initiator of the project, the announced goal was to do "organic" research, so it should go in your direction? but do you really think that we are going to invest money to make a project labeled "organic" with the back thought of going down "organic"?
more conspiratorial than that, I do not see ...
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becauseGuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:So why this stupid title?
1) the bio subject is a decoy has been closed.
2) The ban on herbicides is counterproductive for soil degradation and the fight against CD.
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and ignorant zozos put on a diaper to have the last word. In real organic, plowing is not the method of tillage recommended without necessity, like breaking a plow sole in fields previously cultivated in chemistry ... synthetic.
Instead of lying all the time, visit a real bio to see if your kinship fatas are realistic or not.
Instead of lying all the time, visit a real bio to see if your kinship fatas are realistic or not.
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Janic wrote:and ignorant zozos put on a diaper to have the last word. In real organic, plowing is not the method of tillage recommended without necessity, like breaking a plow sole in fields previously cultivated in chemistry ... synthetic.
Instead of lying all the time, visit a real bio to see if your kinship fatas are realistic or not.
except that those who say they know are lying as I have been able to point out, no tillage is not an "organic" initiative and it is indeed a questioning of cultivation techniques with more mechanization in "organic" by other cultivation methods which have led "organic" to also question this plowing, and it is a more thorny problem for them
so yes, plowing is no longer recommended in "organic" as elsewhere, after Janic always with his "real" organic, or how to get out of the debate, either we speak of real "organic" and therefore we place ourselves in a confidential debate and therefore it is not a debate of forum, but "experts" or rather nostalgic, either we place ourselves at the level of the organic "label", and there it concerns everyone and it becomes a subject of society, and the two are so different that Janic makes good specify
I do not think that at home "organic" Leclerc, I can find his "real" organic and therefore effectively wanting to make "organic" for all, it is no longer the same deal as the "real" organic and this can become harmful, the label does not guarantee a method of cultivation but an absence of synthetic products, this who gave birth to organic which evolved into the organic label is in the process of pouring it out
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that is to say you and your companionsexcept that those who say they know are lyingjanic wrote: and ignorant zozos give it a go to have the last laugh. In real organic, plowing is not the method of working the soil recommended without necessity, like breaking a plow sole in fields previously cultivated in chemistry ... synthetic.
Instead of lying all the time, visit a real bio to see if your kinship fatas are realistic or not.
typical example of an ignorant lie!as I have been able to point out, no-tillage is not an "organic" initiative and it is indeed a questioning of cultivation techniques with more "organic" mechanization by other methods of cultivation which have led "organic" to also question this plowing, and it is a more thorny problem for them
And I answered it! The reflection on the ideal conditions of culture have been widely demonstrated in America AS in Europe, at the same time, by the scientification of the analysis of soils and their fertility linked to different aspects of it. Did himself underline (it is his job) that in a soil there is an aerobic layer and an anaerobic layer which must not be mixed without risk of disturbing the biological mechanisms, also reread it.
Hence the tillage to be reduced to a minimum when this cannot be avoided, it is not an obligation, hence the American commission providing for ten stages: from plowing to non-working certain soils that have become sterile and dusty. So with preserved plowing, fun!
No, the exact formula is " plowing Is NOT more recommended here as elsewhere »Nuance!so yes, plowing, is not anymore recommended in "organic" as elsewhere,
Stupid! as usual. The forums are open to all levels of knowledge and culture and only represent often contradictory opinions, that's what it is for! Not to pursue systematic denigration when one is ignorant of the subjects concerned, like your bunch of funny people.after Janic always with his "real" bio, or how to get out of the debate, either we speak of real "bio" and therefore we place ourselves in a confidential debate and therefore it is not a debate of forum,
Not nostalgic (go tell Did that to see if he's nostalgic or realistic), the agricultural engineers who supported the organic approach were, on the contrary, at the forefront of the science of the moment and they used it wisely!but "experts" or rather nostalgic,
Already seen ! The label is a minimum level to distinguish current chemical agriculture from agriculture without synthetic products. Otherwise it's like comparing an apprentice with an experienced professional, that would be completely silly! and you would like us to stay at this minimum in order to be able to continue to criticize, denigrate, lie!either we place ourselves at the level of the organic "label",
Precisely, it is the precision that gives meaning! You arrive with a floury beak, stuffed with chemicals and chemistry for everything and everywhere, at Did, and there you discover (according to your words) a particular universe, how do you say? Ah yes, nostalgic!and there it concerns everyone and it becomes a matter of society, and the two are so different that Janic does well to specify.
This is harmful for those who know what true organic means, that is to say the farmers themselves and their distribution circuits animated by this same spirit.I do not think that at home "organic" Leclerc, I can find its "real" organic and therefore actually wanting to make "organic" for everyone, it is no longer the same as the "real" organic and it can become harmful,
What should not be mixed with a fashion effect which like any fashion will change and disappear to get back to basics: real organic!
Leclerc, like the others, is riding the wave of demand and as long as there is demand, he seeks to satisfy his customers, here it is less expensive. He is a trader not a philanthropist.
The minimal label will perhaps flow, but I doubt it because it is precisely a minimum less demanding than before and it is the role of the State to bring into a legal framework what was outside that -this. It is precisely their job. But the populations ignore all the fights, the discriminations, the lies etc… against the true bio generated by the chemical industry to preserve its industrial monopoly without division. (As in medicine)the label does not guarantee a method of cultivation but an absence of synthetic products, which gave birth to organic which has evolved into the organic label is in the process of pouring it out
But, no offense, people's mentalities are changing when confronted with the realities of an increasingly polluted world and particularly at the agricultural level with its Monsanto and co. Or in real health medicine, too. (Hippocratic alternative medicine, they!)
Except that big petrochemicals can influence governments by its lobbies, but can do nothing against millions of people who demand a change which they know not to come from above, but which depends only on themselves; and your big poisoners can't help it anymore.
So true organic or not quite true organic, it doesn't matter, the door that big chemistry wanted to keep closed, has opened and more and more are crossing it for the good of all… finally!
All that's left is the shit fuckers like you and the other crazy people on social media to continue their smear campaigns and lies in vain. But continues to bark in vain, the caravan continues to move forward despite everything!
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