The BIO is dead ... Long live the HVE!

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The BIO is dead ... Long live the HVE!




by Grelinette » 13/03/19, 22:27

The organic no longer convinces consumers. (even if, despite everything, they buy more organic now)

Regular analyzes by consumer protection associations show that many organic food products are more loaded with phytosanitary products than others that are not organic!

Green elected officials learn with horror, despite a healthy and organic diet, that analyzing their hair reveals high levels of pesticides and other herbicides.

In short, the concept of "Bio" is dying ...

Now it's the label HVE (High Environmental Value (French Environmental Label)), announced with strength and conviction by our new Minister of Agriculture on the move, who will carry the flag of (finally) healthy food. We are saved!

Towards action-oriented “positive agriculture”
While Emmanuel Macron launches “One Planet Lab”, a laboratory of international ideas sponsored among others by the British economist Nicholas Stern and the former CEO of Unilever Paul Polman, the agricultural world met as usual at this time of year Porte de Versailles for the Agricultural Show.

A real showcase of French agricultural know-how, all sectors and territories combined, it is a place of exchange between the rural and urban worlds, each responding to different lifestyles, uses, temporalities and different geographies.

If one word should sum up the 2019 agricultural fair, it's optimism. From the Minister of Agriculture, Didier Guillaume to the players in the sector (interprofessions, associations, players in mass distribution), including the operators themselves, all agree on the need to develop "Positive Agriculture". It is now a question of concretely changing things in good intelligence, of liberating the chain of discourse by promoting action.

Tipping point towards a new form of sustainable, responsible and sustainable agriculture, the “High Environmental Value” making, an extremely rare thing, unanimity both in the agricultural sectors, environmental NGOs and among distributors, could be one spearheads. Because, beyond its normative aspect, the HVE designates a new way of thinking, a new architecture of choice, the future of agriculture.

Make "High Environmental Value", the label brand of the agro-ecological transition
Like organic, HVE is a public label. It corresponds to the 3rd level of environmental certification of farms. This official sign is not a competitor but complementary to the Bio. Coming from the Grenelle de l'Environnement, presented by public authorities as the future 2nd major quality sign alongside organic, HVE has so far been carried by pioneers: the NGO FNE (France Nature Environment) and the Movement Independent Winegrowers of France.

But after the States General of Food and the government commitments in terms of biodiversity and the provision of collective catering, the HVE approach appears today to be the only one allowing to respect the ambitious commitments made by the government.

Democratization underway
After viticulture, new agricultural sectors are becoming more numerous every day: arboriculture, market gardening, horticulture, cereals ... which allows Intermarché to announce the launch of its first HVE certified products from next April, thus anticipating its competitors who all are also working on this subject.

For many, HVE will become as important a segment as organic and will eventually represent 1/3 of the food market. This will make it possible to reach the objective of 50% of French agricultural production under the sign of environmental quality, for the greater good of both biodiversity on our territories, but also the remuneration of our farmers who have made strong commitments to this regard.

To unite all market players.
The HVE approach will make it possible to unite all the approaches of marketers or distributors who have hatched for several years in an anarchic and therefore ineffective manner.

This HVE certification is managed by the Ministry of Agriculture with the active support of its Minister Didier Guillaume and by the association for the development of HVE, created by the Vignerons Indépendants de France movement. This association, created under the aegis of the Secretary of State, Brune Poirson, has now become the place of meeting and coordination between the sectors, the processors, the NGOs and the distributors.

To meet strong societal demand
The HVE approach will restore consumers' confidence by ensuring that the products offered, at an affordable price, come from an environment-friendly agriculture and produced in France.

Thus, this will allow, as the Minister indicated, to respond to "Our fellow citizens who ask us for more transparency, more security, less phytosanitary products and more animal welfare".

To defend French know-how
The HVE approach will finally shed light on the artisanal dimension of agriculture, that which combines manual know-how and technological expertise, led by an entrepreneur, animated by a sustainable and responsible vision of its trade. "My job and my art is to live" said Montaigne; this way of life, that of many operators will continue with HVE.

To move towards positive, authentic and sustainable agriculture at the service of industry players, farmers and consumers, let's democratize High Environmental Value. Let us build on the current dynamic to act and build after the ecological transition.

Jean-Jacques Jarjanette - Managing Director of the Independent Winegrowers of France


Okay, well ...
If it is the new Minister of Agriculture who says so!

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by izentrop » 13/03/19, 23:45

Since in these tests, we look for traces and not a toxic potential, I would not bet my head to cut that we would not find in the hair of a deputy "on the move" feeds exclusively to HVE : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 14/03/19, 08:45

@grelinette
there is no death of organic, as shown by Did's work on "the more than organic" and the success that it has achieved. Will it be the death of "less than organic" not sure! the HVE is only an intermediary between the two or three actors representing levels of perception and action on the subject.
We can compare this to sport with different disciplines from each other with significant levels of practice depending on the individual (and I am not talking about sportsmen sprawled on their sofa in front of the TV) The very demanding will go towards more than organic, the less demanding towards official bio, even less demanding towards HVE and not demanding at all towards big phyto.
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by Moindreffor » 14/03/19, 09:49

Janic wrote: not demanding at all to big phyto.

you should specify the big phyto of synthesis because the bio is big phyto natural, from where the post of grelinette : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 14/03/19, 10:38

Janic wrote:
not demanding at all to big phyto.

you should specify the big phyto of synthesis because the bio is big phyto natural, from where the post of grelinette : Mrgreen:

Ouarf once again! In Bio it's little phyto, not big phyto in comparison with big pharma obviously! Get out of your bubble!
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by Moindreffor » 14/03/19, 12:52

Janic wrote:
Janic wrote:
not demanding at all to big phyto.

you should specify the big phyto of synthesis because the bio is big phyto natural, from where the post of grelinette : Mrgreen:

Ouarf once again! In Bio it's little phyto, not big phyto in comparison with big pharma obviously! Get out of your bubble!

what do you know about that? do you know what the numbers say but in reality? so you are only reporting figures, which are therefore fair for the big synthetic phyto or even underestimated and little even overestimated when we talk about organic, you are not objective, so no need to debate

you are therefore 100% right and you are sure, so let us debate between those who doubt, since we will never get you to move from your line, so no interest to share with you

to debate is to seek compromise, you refuse it, so your interventions are useless
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by Janic » 14/03/19, 13:24

what do you know about that? do you know what the numbers say but in reality? so you are only reporting figures, which are therefore fair for the big synthetic phyto or even underestimated and little even overestimated when we talk about organic, you are not objective, so no need to debate
what do you know about that? do you know what the numbers say but in reality? so you are only reporting figures, which are therefore fair for the big synthetic phyto or even underestimated and little even overestimated when we talk about organic, you are not objective, so no need to debate
I am no more objective than you. I am not a farmer, only they can answer it, contact them!
you are therefore 100% right and you are sure, so let us debate between those who doubt, since we will never get you to move from your line, so no interest to share with you
because you don't think you're 100% right on chemical drugs, vaccines, or even H when you refuse to examine the full official figures. Where are you among those who doubt these points? since we will never get you out of your line, so no point in sharing with you
to debate is to seek compromise, you refuse it, so your interventions are useless

To debate is to exchange points of view only and compromises are only the sign of lack of conviction reserved for politicians, p'tet ben que yes, p'tet »ben que non! Now who does not seek compromise, while recommending it? but who bowed down on his beliefs!
Not me who does not seek compromise, but on the contrary to verify that these convictions are solid by comparison between presuppositions and experience.
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by Moindreffor » 14/03/19, 18:35

Janic wrote:
what do you know about that? do you know what the numbers say but in reality? so you are only reporting figures, which are therefore fair for the big synthetic phyto or even underestimated and little even overestimated when we talk about organic, you are not objective, so no need to debate
what do you know about that? do you know what the numbers say but in reality? so you are only reporting figures, which are therefore fair for the big synthetic phyto or even underestimated and little even overestimated when we talk about organic, you are not objective, so no need to debate
I am no more objective than you. I am not a farmer, only they can answer it, contact them!
you are therefore 100% right and you are sure, so let us debate between those who doubt, since we will never get you to move from your line, so no interest to share with you
because you don't think you're 100% right on chemical drugs, vaccines, or even H when you refuse to examine the full official figures. Where are you among those who doubt these points? since we will never get you out of your line, so no point in sharing with you
to debate is to seek compromise, you refuse it, so your interventions are useless

To debate is to exchange points of view only and compromises are only the sign of lack of conviction reserved for politicians, p'tet ben que yes, p'tet »ben que non! Now who does not seek compromise, while recommending it? but who bowed down on his beliefs!
Not me who does not seek compromise, but on the contrary to verify that these convictions are solid by comparison between presuppositions and experience.

it’s the art of compromise that gets things done, sticking to your convictions only leads to sterile confrontation, where the strongest wins whether it be good or bad,
So if unfortunately (or happiness) you are wrong, you will have defended the bad (or the good cause) all your life, and therefore if you are on the wrong side, what will remain of your convictions? on the other hand that you are on the good side or the bad looking for compromise in one or other of the cases you will have participated in the development of something better

organic is not developing as governments would like and to pursue the illusion, we are further narrowing the specifications and even that is not enough and on the contrary it is rather counterproductive, so we are a bit like with cheeses at the moment, the "real" organic will remain but in a homeopathic way like raw milk cheese, so for a minority, but that's what you are defending, a minority which will have access to others who do not 'will have more choice

there are a lot of possibilities between the two, it's a compromise, but you're against it
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by Exnihiloest » 14/03/19, 19:49

Janic wrote:...
To debate is to exchange points of view only...

Counter pillars do this very well. But understand that not everyone has had this chance to go through their school. Some of your interlocutors have a little more intellectual requirements, for example logic, demonstrations, facts, evidence. I know, their requests are lamentable, but you have to understand them and be tolerant, not everyone has the happiness of having infused science.
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by Moindreffor » 14/03/19, 20:05

Exnihiloest wrote:
Janic wrote:...
To debate is to exchange points of view only...

Counter pillars do this very well. But understand that not everyone has had this chance to go through their school. Some of your interlocutors have a little more intellectual requirements, for example logic, demonstrations, facts, evidence. I know, their requests are lamentable, but you have to understand them and be tolerant, not everyone has the happiness of having infused science.

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