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Water injection in thermal engines and the famous "pantone engine". General informations. Press clippings and videos. Understanding and scientific explanations on the injection of water into engines: ideas for assemblies, studies, physico-chemical analyzes.
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by neocyril » 13/09/05, 23:31

I am not a chemistry and physics pro but the little ke I know on the subject allowed me to jump at all the explanations given!
2nd year college student yes but not stupid!
I don't know if you have done your research but you have noticed that we are talking about plasmas of molecular dissociation of water etc ... pretty words that fly but c bullshit! For creating plasma you need huge quantities of energy and dissociated from water it is the same! The heat of an engine is not enough! Far from it! You will also find that he speaks of a beloved bar that must be steered due North the 1st time that We use it !! Something crazy! Completely utopian!
All of these stories are a travesty! But I recognize that if we know nothing about it, we eat everything !!
And if you don't believe me, go see this address:forum/index.php?showsujet=9429&st=40&#entry139750 'target =' _ blank '> A sane man or less !!
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by Former Oceano » 13/09/05, 23:58

Totally agree for the plasmas and the north for the first operation.

But there are other explanations for how the pantone works. Look on this site and you will find more credible leads, so one that I propose which seems coherent according to my training, the thesis that I defended and the research that I conducted during this one on the oxidation of hydrocarbons, and results of process experimenters ...

So experimentally the pantone works, and theoretically it could too ...
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by Christophe » 14/09/05, 00:17

Yes, let's be serious and scientific (I can't stop saying it!)

I advise you (like all skeptics) to read a little the different pages that I created on the site in the "Pantone Project" section, in particular:

https://www.econologie.com/les-principau ... -1314.html

https://www.econologie.com/analyse-des-t ... s-458.html

and finally : https://www.econologie.com/a-propos-des- ... -1520.html

And even in my report: https://www.econologie.com/rapport-d-ing ... es-93.html

I'm not talking about spontaneous plasma creation ... I'm just talking about hypotheses.
Finally, the plasma family is large and the flame of a lighter is also a plasma ...:P ..no ?

On the other hand, the results in depollution (plasma or not ...) are good and well: https://www.econologie.com/mesures-de-la ... s-321.html

( on a comparative measurement between the ambient air in the garage and the exhaust gases, the latter are cleaner... at least on the pollutants measured ...)
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by yahi » 14/09/05, 00:17

neocyril wrote:yes but not stupid!
I don't know if you have done your research but you have noticed that we are talking about plasmas of molecular dissociation of water etc ... pretty words that fly but c bullshit! For creating plasma you need huge quantities of energy and dissociated from water it is the same! The heat of an engine is not enough! Far from it! You will also find that he speaks of a beloved bar that must be steered due North the 1st time that 'we are using it !!

Warf! you make me cough!

I hope this message is only addressed to those who make pantone because for what deals with plasma, nobody has proven that there were in the PMC reactor!

and, by far, there is no need for high energy to create a plasma! Otherwise the pretty neon tubes that there are everywhere because very economical and low energy are still plasmas (cold) see the plasma screens too !!!!!
pay attention to the turn of the sentences.
If you are treating hot plasmas, then check the electrical energy necessary to ionize well and compare it with the thermal energy released! again, there is nothing to see! Because it takes energy to start the reaction, but it is much greater than the dissociation energy.
Attention also, a chemical reaction like combustion (flame), is also a plasma or more exactly it is the temperature of recombination in the preferential direction of association of the chemical bonds (cf enthalpy) nothing prohibits to go in a either way, it's just a question of temperature and possible reaction catalyst.
So there is not necessarily a need for a plasma to transform one compound into another, just heat! and if there is endothermy, it's good that something is happening!

pretty words that fly but c bullshit

bullshit ! hey ho!
some have been working on it for a long time, so don't be too pushy!

regarding magnets, will ask the car manufacturers!
and you will see their responses (official and unofficial) and it has no relation between the north and the south of the earth, but of the poles of the magnet! there are specialists in this stuff!
you will meet on the forum !

take the time to properly document yourself, and as a scientist, it is not because we do not understand from the start that there is necessarily an error, but it is possible that the interlocutor does not express himself clear way. History of protocol without a doubt!

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by Other » 14/09/05, 00:24

Hello reply to neocyril
If you all read the forum you would see that we do-it-yourselfers who try to improve the pants on our engine we know that the north south position
the magnetism of the rod, the plasma all this jargon, which we can not feel, we leave it to the scientist, For magnetism we have known for a long time that it is a shit ball, when in the plasma we have never seen it , when water dissociation is not believed either. We also know to have tapped on many engines that, we arrive at savings of 25 to 30% that it is visible. We also know that a gasoline engine runs very well with diesel oil or fuel oil without self-ignition, that an engine can operate in closed circuit for a good 5 minutes, that's real.
I believe it is the cultivators who are the most advanced in this field
they are down to earth I do not think that mysterious stories interest them, What interests them is how much diesel they will save in their years.
We are doing our best to increase these figures, and the big money deal I leave that for big companies, at my advanced age I am retired if I have fun in this area it is neither for the money nor for glory, and if it doesn't work I won't spend years on it.
Do not mix the language of the inventor with those who have successfully mounted them at least try it.
Morality, do an assembly on a small engine, it takes a good day and checks, after you make your comments.
Maybe your abilities do not allow you to do such a simple thing, it was my young boy who made the first assembly with pieces of pipe which piqued my curiosity and since it is I who continue.
I like criticism when it is constructive to get things done.
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by scavenger » 14/09/05, 02:10

: huh: hello and thank you for your contribution André and all the others ........................

I discovered pantone for 2 weeks and saw everything read almost everything, I saw the report of France 3 etc, I specify that I am 27 years old, that I am computer scientist and chemist by training, and handyman, and then of all this and André's remarks I ask myself to start:

1) Can I run on diesel with my super 5 petrol? That is true ? LOL :D I would like to have testimonies ...!

2) make an assembly on a small engine that does not interest me and then I believe that all the mowers with breakage have already landed on the site of GEET ... LOL :D in addition I see a lot of developments on diesel engines while the principle and the initial shema worked with gasoline ... then why do I see no evidence of adaptation of the pantone on gasoline cars? <_

3) the iron reduction of any type of motor is essential in the presence of steam, cold and even more if it is hot !! :( (chemistry course 1st year DUT chemistry) so what is the real longevity of pantonized engines ?? and that whoever spoke of engine ceramic treatment denounces himself! I have never heard of it anywhere and google gives no results!

are there garage owners in the room ???? in my opinion they must laugh ...

personally I want to adapt my R5 petrol automatic box with this system but there is too much info everywhere and there is everything and anything ... how do we find people who have tested it successfully on l 'essence ???

I PROMISE TO BROADCAST my manufacturing / mounting method and my studies and my name and my phone number to all and to all if it really works, making fun of the annoying villains who want to silence us: ph34r: (like the siphon of the France 3 report and her friend "the engineer" who refuse to give their name and their comune to the news) LOL B)
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by Adrien » 14/09/05, 02:17

You say you have read everything and you did not come across a single petrol car ?? I'm surprised!

so go take a ride on the forum on the side of experiments ...

I have water doping on my petrol engine and it works, and I'm far from alone!
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by hoedic » 14/09/05, 07:56

I don't think much of the sorry rant of the initiator of this forum if it is only for a student of this level, being so pitiful in matters of conjugation and expression is perfectly distressing.

Another TOTAL private official?
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by Christophe » 14/09/05, 09:57

3) the iron reduction of any type of motor is essential in the presence of steam, cold and even more if it is hot !! :( (chemistry course 1st year DUT chemistry) so what is the real longevity of pantonized engines ?? and that whoever spoke of engine ceramic treatment denounces himself! I have never heard of it anywhere and google gives no results!


Waww you did a DUT chemistry..Bravo ... but you don't know that the combustion of a liter of gasoline (or diesel) releases about 1 kilo of water in vapor form (and 2.3 of CO2 approximately)? So it is not the small surplus of water at the intake that will change the situation ... Do the engines break faster in foggy weather ...? On the contrary ... all truckers will tell you that the engines are more efficient!

are there garage owners in the room ???? in my opinion they must laugh ...


Olivier de la ZX was a mechanic for 15 years ... He laughs above all at the technologies chosen by our manufacturers ... the FAP is a little wonder of foutage of mouth which consists in storing pollution to better spit it out then ...

So before giving lessons on a subject that we do not know, so do the mass balance of the combustion equations ... if you do not succeed, there is the solution on the site ....
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by Christophe » 14/09/05, 10:01

scavenger wrote:so why don't i see any evidence of pantone adaptation on gasoline cars?

Go see the renault express essence of 1986 on the site http://www.quanthomme.org .... the testimony dates "right" from 2002 ... Once again you speak very quickly ....
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