PLASMA or not

[yahi]

gegyx: "With a little baking soda in the water, for the creation of the arc, there is no need for equipment for the approximation of the electrodes; the water conducts weakly, and the arc is made towards the electrode in charcoal, wherever it is in the jar.
Bingo-Fuel like JL Naudin's CFR, following his advice. "

I didn't take the right carbonate I think, it didn't work my test!

I will try again in the month if I can! but I would rather develop a carbon-free process, to avoid fuel regulations (fuel = carbon => no carbon = no TIPP)
Even if at first it brings nothing to the state, it will find the solution by taxing the water !! or by applying a color code as with pump fuel and domestic !!

voilou!

yahi

[plasmanu]

Hello
to avoid carbon rods, mixing ash with water may do the trick.
A bit like soup, made up of water and free carbon.

Yahi: for your istallation, did you use a lot of water? Did it heat up quickly?

When the arc did not want to be done, I had put a rod which came out of the water to allow me to put a manual impulse on the reactor.

It is very complicated to consider a portable device, in my opinion.

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manu

[Bibiphoque]

Hello
to avoid carbon rods, mixing ash with water may do the trick.
A bit like soup, made up of water and free carbon.

Yahi: for your istallation, did you use a lot of water? Did it heat up quickly?

When the arc did not want to be done, I had put a rod which came out of the water to allow me to put a manual impulse on the reactor.

It is very complicated to consider a portable device, in my opinion.

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manu

Hello,
No ash, there is no more carbon in the ash, charcoal powder, maybe.
By the way, very interesting the link to the study on the plasma torch B)
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[Christophe]

waw i had never followed this forum... not bad all that

For the plasma torch it looks a lot like Brown's gas experience (see quanthomme) but do not expect any surunity with such a system ... (no need to try to put a gas generator on your car ca won't work ... well, just long enough for the battery to run down ...)

[yahi]

Hello
to avoid carbon rods, mixing ash with water may do the trick.
A bit like soup, made up of water and free carbon.

Yahi: for your istallation, did you use a lot of water? Did it heat up quickly?

When the arc did not want to be done, I had put a rod which came out of the water to allow me to put a manual impulse on the reactor.

It is very complicated to consider a portable device, in my opinion.

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manu

yes uh no and yes but no!

good, I resume! good for ashes, it seems to me to be badly barred because it is about the remains resulting from the combostion of carbon in general it is minerals (salts) but with carbon powder ptre that it would work!

and yes I use a lot of water: a large basin of 40 liters of well cool water at the beginning and almost lukewarm at the end of the tests! so it's on that must heat dry in the heart of the plasma!

ditto when the arc is not done, a small flick in the son and presto it starts again. Two phenomena observed: either there was contact and it is electrolysis, or there is too much contact and it is an electrical resistance! a point of contact and there is plasma!

I do not think that it is very very difficult to make a portable system (or rather a device can bulky), it is rather the realization of the system which poses problem: I do not have enough material, nor materials. But a can of boiler with stainless steel sheets, by casing and with a cooling circuit by the incoming water must be quite feasible! I intend to one day be able to hold this chmilblic in my hands as soon as I have confirmation that an arc in water or steam gives the gaseous mixture H2 O2!
I did some sketch of possible system, with regulation of the water level and pulsating water etc ... a bit like following the principle of your installation last year! (that's why I asked you more photos) and I got things more or less depending on whether it was closer to DIY or a system designed for duration! I even pushed a little screw to study the turbulent behavior that can take the plasma to avoid too rapid wear by the heat!
But hey, I think that the realization of the device can not be done when passing through an external speaker (student project which corresponds to the training to be carried out), I think bcp in the materials sections (where I come from) which have everything that you need at hand and that are often short of subject (there are always plenty of windsurfing or surfing when there is so much else to do with all the materials that are studied!) and after on the engines there are other specialists!
The IUT are for me, the possibility of making a partnership of realization between individual or industrial and "the state" (school (student), research center (researcher), study, etc.) because not many people suspect the potential which there is hidden, and even fewer are those who address it while yet they are always happy to have visitors or that we bring interest for their work.
I hope I make myself understood ....: blink:

for christophe: it seemed to me that all these things didn't interest you too much, and I'm glad you are visiting us! even if bingo fuel is not a terrible solution as such, coupled with other processes (brown gas, plasmotron, cfr, etc) there is surely way to do something valid! it works well for other use so why not as fuel for our machine which will soon have no more fossil products to burn!
in our little corner of forum the subject is progressing and as you could see, we are looking for econology, we are carrying out small experiments, we are testing, we are arguing, we are starting again etc!

There is no surunity as understood by the charlatant but I believe that via the electric arc, the excitation given to the atoms gives the plasma which very often seems to release more energy than if there had been a thermal resistance to the square !
it's not overunit but the COP is very good! I do not know if you have seen my calculations and that you have checked them (nobody wants to check them for me) but I started from the elements that I could find as a starting hypothesis, and the result is as if there was had overunit: elect => arc => plasma => gas => explosion => mechanical force => generator => elec but bcp more than at the start! I'm preparing a site that wants to explain all this a bit, but it takes a lot of time and I'm not a star of writing so I have lots of ideas, lots of info but I'm having trouble to transcribe the knowledge, in addition I dare not copy paste sites so I put links to the sites and suddenly it loses a lot of quality! and ............ it takes a long time if I reformulate (I don't have too much time if I want to sleep a little at night, I can only do that during the week in addition , the WE are dedicated to my little darling!) !!!!

in terms of running it on a car ... it's not only that in life, there are the boilers, the generators too!
in addition a plasma is not obtained with a dynamo must still put a good sauce or then should miniaturize? ! this is not the project!
but it can be done with an additive as in a cfr there can be a means of reducing the power necessary for the formation of the phenomenon! but I don't believe it with the current technique used in cars! should know the behavior by varying voltage and intensity ... the CFR does not work with the same voltage intensity as bingo fuel, plasma torches either elsewhere !! ....
so far, with a battery, when you connect one side with the other there are po bcp sparks to form! or else I really don't have a good battery!

to follow, as soon as I have given a more or less satisfactory appearance to my small site, I will put it online, and I warn you, I will also contact my old establishment to see if they are ready to do the project and will I will have to put a little aside to pay for the stainless steel sheet (I will take advantage of my close salary increase to finance the business).

here I am!

yahi

[yahi]

after reflection, if by portable system you also understand the transformer, it is sure that it immediately takes up more space (especially if we are happy with our welding machine), even so surely for handyman electronics, means of reducing the size of the lighter, there is still a lot of vacuum in it !!
but if you talk about the device where the plasma is made, you have the example of the MIT plasmatron (see quanthomme and JLN) it gives an idea of ​​the place it can take. anyway a plasma requires a powerful electrical source (within the framework of our use), until proof of finding something else!
yahi

[yahi]

if no response to plasmalyse on google has thermolysis there are things, even at GDF !!!
and yes GDF sometimes acts econologically:
http://www.gazdefrance.com/public/page.php...p?iddossier=726

it's crazy this world or those who pollute the most can justify themselves behind this kind of action!
;)

yahi
ps another site which describes the treatment of waste by "thermolysis":
http://www.promethee.be/index.htm
a reaction: http://www.interdits.net/2001mai/thermo.htm

[plasmanu]

to tell the truth the word "plasmalyse" does not exist.

for the treatment of waste I know an investor who found a geo-find-everything engineer in Biarritz, he invested in his system, which gives water (I have no more technical details), and he sent his team of lawyers to see what was feasible: Well, it's impossible, the Lobby is holding everything. He will have to give up or use roundabout means (enticing the town halls ... regional councils ...)

To return to the portable system: a circuit with a 555 component, ultra-condos, power diodes: it should not be very bulky to replace the post with the arc.


the complexity lies in the reactor. The way I designed it is fixed use only & consumable electrodes. It seems obvious to me to have something like a plasma torch or plasmatron style to rotate 180d ° with the gadget: but finished the carbon electrodes, it fô put them in powder but that becomes the thermal shock with the water essential in my opinion.

The goal is not to be over-unitary, but to transfer the electricity available in another form (harmless fuel).
If this electricity is free (wind turbine, hydro, atmospheric condo) ---> free fuel

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manu

[yahi]

Little news from the front, I have qqs experiences but I have only too few tools to make measurements and indicate qqs data of anything!
So just enjoy the sight of a successful plasma making experiment.
see the pictures :
Photos
a video :
Video
here for short but visual.
See you next time for the continuity of the realization.

yahi

[nonoLeRobot]

Excellent yahi


About plasma and visual; some have managed to create a 3D image in the air without a screen !!! I find it quite incredible, the Star War science fiction displays are close.
http://www.techno-science.net/?onglet=news&news=2385

PS: This is a slight deviation from the subject, if some want to get on it, open a new subject.