Doping water Motor: thermodynamic
published: 25/02/08, 13:31
We chat with Christophe about the theory of water doping and its applications
Rather than starting from the Pantone and the derived systems to explain the observed effects, we decided to start from our needs and to highlight the physical phenomena to implement to achieve controlled water doping.
This is worth reading (yeah, finally, IMHO )
my opinion concerning the explanation of the "functioning" of the Pantone assemblies : a small chart ecxel (theoretical, perfect gas etc ...)
[/ Quote] Edition of 26 / 03 / 2208 Attention, this table with empirical values will be taken again later in this subject with more precise data
What is important to see is that over the T ° compression end, the higher you get closer to the T ° Natural thermal water dissociation
Diesel engines are naturally more predestined to water doping
perfect combustion reaction GO (nitrogen is not present)
C2H16 34 + = 49 O2 32 CO2 + 34 H2O
In view of the amount of water produced by combustion, it is not surprising that the recycling of flue gas (EGR valve) is beneficial, as are the blue flame burners that recycle gases (these gases are bypassed at high temperature). ° and recompressed !!)
Pantone perspective:
For montages especially gasoline, the temp does not reach the 850 ° C at the end of compression, the explosion ensures further; it is still necessary to help the dissociation with a current contribution to perfect the process.
The primary function of Pantone is an important heat exchange in order to use the energy lost in the exhaust and thus prepare "free" for the dissociation of water.
The second, which has not been demonstrated, is the generation of an electric current that might improve the dissociation of water
At worst, you can do the test by creating a potential difference yourself on the "reactor"
with these explanations, all what is more simple and consistent, the Pantone system becomes credible
The calculation of a reactor should be based on an ideal engine speed and suitable for routine use to select a passage diameter of fluids that do not lower too the admission to inlet pressure engine
Nevertheless, it is this depression and supply of thermal energy that promote relaxation water as noticed Christophe on his thesis bench.
The weak sections of the reactor promote turbulence, heat transfer, overheating, and who knows, producing an induced current.
The presence of an ionized solution (acidic or basic water) can undoubtedly generate displacements of electrons favorable to the dissociation of the water, especially when one knows that the water is not electrically neutral [/ quote ]
[quote = "response to Christophe"] These are figures that highlight the impact of each parameter, it does not change much with 200 ° C
what is important is to raise the highest possible T ° at the end of compression before the explosion, it will be as much "work" gained for the dissociation
T ° yes, but for now keep in mind the GO ratio of fuel to air 1g 30g allowing the explosion of GO without sparking in air brought to 600 ° C simply because of the compression.
Replaces a portion of the water by gas oil, and the ratio is still valid.
For this warm air 80 ° C taken from the cooling system + steam production on the exhaust sufficient to significantly increase the T ° in the cylinder, but the overall performance and that is what interest us fact
A 2l DCI engine turning 2000tr / min full load pump us around 33 L / s with constant pressure or 1.6 bar area 52l / s air to P atm.
or, environs Air 52g per second or 187KG / h or 187m3 / h
Fuel we 1.8g / s or 6.5Kg / h
Rather than starting from the Pantone and the derived systems to explain the observed effects, we decided to start from our needs and to highlight the physical phenomena to implement to achieve controlled water doping.
This is worth reading (yeah, finally, IMHO )
my opinion concerning the explanation of the "functioning" of the Pantone assemblies : a small chart ecxel (theoretical, perfect gas etc ...)
[/ Quote] Edition of 26 / 03 / 2208 Attention, this table with empirical values will be taken again later in this subject with more precise data
What is important to see is that over the T ° compression end, the higher you get closer to the T ° Natural thermal water dissociation
Diesel engines are naturally more predestined to water doping
perfect combustion reaction GO (nitrogen is not present)
C2H16 34 + = 49 O2 32 CO2 + 34 H2O
In view of the amount of water produced by combustion, it is not surprising that the recycling of flue gas (EGR valve) is beneficial, as are the blue flame burners that recycle gases (these gases are bypassed at high temperature). ° and recompressed !!)
Pantone perspective:
For montages especially gasoline, the temp does not reach the 850 ° C at the end of compression, the explosion ensures further; it is still necessary to help the dissociation with a current contribution to perfect the process.
The primary function of Pantone is an important heat exchange in order to use the energy lost in the exhaust and thus prepare "free" for the dissociation of water.
The second, which has not been demonstrated, is the generation of an electric current that might improve the dissociation of water
At worst, you can do the test by creating a potential difference yourself on the "reactor"
with these explanations, all what is more simple and consistent, the Pantone system becomes credible
The calculation of a reactor should be based on an ideal engine speed and suitable for routine use to select a passage diameter of fluids that do not lower too the admission to inlet pressure engine
Nevertheless, it is this depression and supply of thermal energy that promote relaxation water as noticed Christophe on his thesis bench.
The weak sections of the reactor promote turbulence, heat transfer, overheating, and who knows, producing an induced current.
The presence of an ionized solution (acidic or basic water) can undoubtedly generate displacements of electrons favorable to the dissociation of the water, especially when one knows that the water is not electrically neutral [/ quote ]
[quote = "response to Christophe"] These are figures that highlight the impact of each parameter, it does not change much with 200 ° C
what is important is to raise the highest possible T ° at the end of compression before the explosion, it will be as much "work" gained for the dissociation
T ° yes, but for now keep in mind the GO ratio of fuel to air 1g 30g allowing the explosion of GO without sparking in air brought to 600 ° C simply because of the compression.
Replaces a portion of the water by gas oil, and the ratio is still valid.
For this warm air 80 ° C taken from the cooling system + steam production on the exhaust sufficient to significantly increase the T ° in the cylinder, but the overall performance and that is what interest us fact
A 2l DCI engine turning 2000tr / min full load pump us around 33 L / s with constant pressure or 1.6 bar area 52l / s air to P atm.
or, environs Air 52g per second or 187KG / h or 187m3 / h
Fuel we 1.8g / s or 6.5Kg / h