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by scroful » 21/11/15, 22:04

Hello,

Owners of a diesel mercedes, and having already installed an HHO kit I would like to continue my anti pollution initiative by installing a pantone kit.

Would there be passionate people and possibly people ready to help me in the Ile de France region?
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by Flytox » 22/11/15, 11:17

Hello Welcome scroful

scroful wrote:Hello,

Owners of a diesel mercedes, and having already installed an HHO kit I would like to continue my anti pollution initiative by installing a pantone kit.

Would there be passionate people and possibly people ready to help me in the Ile de France region?


Not very common as a step. Do you want to install an HHO + Pantone on the same engine!?

You have something to illustrate your results to share them with us? :P
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by Exnihiloest » 22/11/15, 15:58

Except to prove that we would have atomic hydrogen, all I see in the movement of "HHO" is in fact "H2 + 1/2 O2" obtained by electrolysis.
That "H2 + 1/2 O2" has an influence on combustion and consumption, it is very possible, but to be able to discuss it we should at least get out of this pseudo-scientific and commercial jargon aimed at bamboozling the neophite, a miracle gas HHO which in fact does not exist.
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by Janic » 22/11/15, 19:42

Obamot do not read that or you will make an attack of apoplexy. : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 23/11/15, 02:47

Why janic? Personally....

Exnihiloest wrote:Except to prove that we would have atomic hydrogen, all I see in the movement of "HHO" is in fact "H2 + 1/2 O2" obtained by electrolysis.
That "H2 + 1/2 O2" has an influence on combustion and consumption, it is very possible, but to be able to discuss it we should at least get out of this pseudo-scientific and commercial jargon aimed at bamboozling the neophite, a miracle gas HHO which in fact does not exist.


... I quite agree with this ...

ps: for atomic hydrogen, I think we can wait again ... but you're right its energy power is very important, even more than the H2 ... And I was pretty interested about doping at the water...

Hold on this: a little misnomer of our chemist friends, we should say di-hydrogen when talking about H2 gas ... just as we should say di-oxygen when talking about O2 ...
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by izentrop » 23/11/15, 09:13

Hello,
Exnihiloest wrote:Except to prove that we would haveatomic hydrogen, all I see in the movement of "HHO" is in fact "H2 + 1/2 O2" obtained by electrolysis.
How do you make half a gas ??

By electrolyzing water as for "HHO", we get a mixture of 2 gases whose atoms are organized in molecules, with 2 times more hydrogen (or more exactly dihydrogen) than dioxygen Image
Hydrogen production by electrolysis of water
The problem in this system is the ratio returned energy / energy consumed largely deficit.

There is no half-reaction in this system
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by Obamot » 23/11/15, 09:43

Let's say the next pirouette will be just a 1 / 2 tower Image

Janic wrote:
izentrop wrote:Hello,
Exnihiloest wrote:Except to prove that we would haveatomic hydrogen, all I see in the "HHO" movement is in fact "H2 + 1 / 2 O2"obtained by electrolysis.
How do you make half a gas ??

By electrolyzing water as for "HHO", we get a mixture of 2 gases whose atoms are organized in molecules, with 2 times more hydrogen (or more exactly dihydrogen) than dioxygen Image
Hydrogen production by electrolysis of water
The problem in the system is returned energy ratio / energy consumed largely deficit.
obamot do not read that or you will make an attack of apoplexy. : Cheesy:

Yes, fascinating, same question as Izentop, [humor mode: "ON"] Image Image Image
not the first time, moreover, that an archangel of pseudo-sciences recommends us a 1/2 he should try the "superunitary" pitcher from nothing!

Image Image Image

In vino veritas: Let's bet that the Ethylotest will only show 1 / 2 life of cesium 137 in 1 / 2 quinquennal in Bordeaux wines [hips] >>> Image
Without explaining why: big progress! And that a half acid value (or base) will give a neutral PH >>> Image
for an atrophied world, without balance, with half-zombies half alive Image
ultimate condition for half-validating the "theory of evolution" :
[...] garzon the baby ch_oz!

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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/15, 12:09

Christophe wrote:...
ps: for atomic hydrogen, I think we can wait again ... but you're right its energy power is very important, even more than the H2 ... And I was pretty interested about doping at the water...

Yes, I noticed that too when I studied about cracking.
2 H → H2 provides 432 kJ
2 O → 02 provides 247 kJ
In any case, in an electrolysis reaction, even if one transiently passes through atomic H and O, the balance remains zero since the molecular re-association recovers the additional energy of the atomic dissociation.

Hold on this: a little misnomer of our chemist friends, we should say di-hydrogen when talking about H2 gas ... just as we should say di-oxygen when talking about O2 ...

Correct and this abuse is being corrected, because this is what young people are learning today in chemistry in high school. And it is a little disturbing for the oldest ones of which I am part, to hear them speak about dihydrogen for the molecular form that we, we banally called "hydrogen".
Wikipedia distinguishes well both, there is an article for hydrogen (H), and one for dihydrogen (H2). And ditto for O / O2.
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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/15, 12:25

izentrop wrote:... How do you make half a gas ??
...

Do not confuse the coefficients of the molar proportions of the reactions with the molecules themselves.
If the fashion has changed and today we instead write "2H2O → 2H2 + O2" instead of "H2O → H2 + 1/2 O2", it's just a matter of formality.
The formulation H2O → H2 + 1/2 O2 used for decades and which means the same thing, is still perfectly accepted.
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by izentrop » 23/11/15, 13:02

Exnihiloest wrote:
Christophe wrote:...
ps: for atomic hydrogenI think we can wait again ... but you're right its energy power is very important, even more than the H2... and I was pretty interested about water doping ...

Anyway, in an electrolysis reaction, even if we pass transiently by atomic H and O, the balance remains zero since molecular re-association recovers the extra energy of atomic dissociation.
Unless contradiction, we reach the same conclusions

In the HHO system, it has no membrane or catalysis that would prevent recombination.
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