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The very young Compagnie de Transport Maritime à la Voile (CTMV) is going to revive merchant transport by sail to export wines from the south of France to the Nordic countries.

The wines, transported by barge via the Canal du Midi to relieve traffic congestion and limit CO2 emissions, will be loaded on a sailboat in Bordeaux to reach Ireland firstly by sailing at least 75% of the time under sail.

Sustainable transport is at the heart of this project, which seeks to find solutions that respect the environment.

For info, go to: http://www.ctmv.eu

Hi touline and welcome to econologie.com
It's a shame that you don't have an avatar, we could have seen the "apple" of touline ...

More seriously, this idea is not bad.
If this type of concept begins to become profitable, it is really that the oil begins to become expensive. We can only welcome this: this will lead to more and more initiatives of this kind.

The plans extracted from their site for info:


300 tonnes of payload for 47m long and 5m draft.
At least, with this type of boat, there should be no more degassing problems

Targol wrote:Hi touline and welcome to econologie.com
It's a shame that you don't have an avatar, we could have seen the "apple" of touline ...

Is it a play on words?
If yes I did not understand

Targol wrote:300 tonnes of payload for 47m long and 5m draft.
At least, with this type of boat, there should be no more degassing problems

To return to the subject, it is a very beautiful project but I have a quesiton which can seem very stupid but which is fundamental: are the docks (still) equipped to be able to unload sailing ships?

2nd question: estimated cost per mile traveled? And average speed compared to a classic freighter of the same size (supposing that a freighter of 300 T offshore exists? I'm not sure).

For those who want to know more about cargo sailboats, they were still used before the 2nd World War (by the Germans in particular): https://www.econologie.com/forums/la-marine- ... t2627.html

Christophe wrote:

Targol wrote:Hi touline and welcome to econologie.com
It's a shame that you don't have an avatar, we could have seen the "apple" of touline ...

Is it a play on words?
If yes I did not understand

The apple of touline:
It is a marine knot used to ballast the end of an hawser to be able to launch it more easily towards a quay or another boat.

Christophe wrote:To return to the subject, it is a very beautiful project but I have a quesiton which can seem very stupid but which is fundamental: are the docks (still) equipped to be able to unload sailing ships?

2nd question: estimated cost per mile traveled? And average speed compared to a classic freighter of the same size (supposing that a freighter of 300 T offshore exists? I'm not sure).

Their site does not specify it but I suppose, for the first question that the masts are placed so as not to interfere with loading / unloading with the crane. In addition, the height of the masts (47m above the water level) does not seem huge compared to the height of some traditional cargo ships.

As for cost, I don't see how it could be anything other than cheaper if 75% of the propulsion is free.
The speed is not specified and must depend on the prevailing winds. In addition, unlike a traditional freighter, it is forced to zigzag (pulling edges) if the wind is from the front which reduces its average speed.

Targol wrote:As for cost, I don't see how it could be anything other than cheaper if 75% of the propulsion is free.

Uh you forget the cost of the crew .... A 200 ton ore carrier is 000 crew ...

Compared to the ton it is impossible that a sailboat is advantageous in terms of human resources ... Unless it is fully automated as the phocea of ​​the other crook of tapie ... and again ...

Again Janco was right when he compared oil to virtual slaves ...

Targol wrote:The speed is not specified and must depend on the prevailing winds. In addition, unlike a traditional freighter, it is forced to zigzag (pulling edges) if the wind is from the front which reduces its average speed.

The prevailing winds are rather constant but "slack" periods may exist ... in the case of a commercial exchange in the current world, maintaining deadlines is important ... which was not necessarily the case when everyone everyone was sailing because everyone was in the same boat ...

ps: ok for the apple of touline, better not to take one in the apple It's jeans that will be lost!

From what they say on their site, they rely on the "image" side to compensate for potentially longer delays.
They are currently in contact with Ecocert to obtain the "organic transport" label.
As touline said, the first line will be dedicated to transporting wine to Dublin. However, wine is a product where the imagination and the feeling count a lot when buying. You will see that the wines transported by this company will have a nice "wind powered ship transportation" label ..... and will cost twice as much ... but they will still sell.
Sea trips are said to improve wine, after all.

Moué ... let's admit transferring the cost to the client and making ecology one more luxury ... blah blah ... And that does not answer my question of the additional cost ...

For Ecocert frankly I do not see the relationship ...

The project is therefore very good but the costs must remain reasonable otherwise it will be an ecopipo project reserved for richards more (like the famous 100% autonomous sailing yacht at 2 million euros ... or something like that) ...while, well managed, this project could show that the sailing navy is again competitive: profitable, fast and clean! This is econology ...

I fully agree with Christophe's concern: the reintroduction of sailing must remain competitive so that it can develop. And then, I do not see how to pass the idea that the use of free energy causes sustainable additional costs ...

Now, it is clear that a prototype costs much more than a production "machine", whatever the nature of the machine.

I thought more of the cost of use than those of manufacturing ...

Christophe wrote:For Ecocert frankly I do not see the relationship ...

Well, at one point or another, this label will have to go further than what it currently covers. Organic raw materials are good. But sticking an organic label on products that made 20000 km by plane and then by diesel truck before arriving in stores, there is a kind of deception somewhere.
A number of consumers want more. From there to imagine products "more organic than organic" for which even the supply chains are ecological (even socially responsible) ....

Christophe wrote:The project is therefore very good but the costs must remain reasonable otherwise it will be an ecopipo project reserved for richards more (like the famous 100% autonomous sailing yacht at 2 million euros ... or something like that) ...while, well managed, this project could show that the sailing navy is again competitive: profitable, fast and clean! This is econology ...

But it is not the project itself that will succeed this bet there, it is the context and more particularly the price of a barrel of oil.