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by Christophe » 24/08/10, 09:42

No, there is surely something else: there is such a shortfall for States and oil companies that they would not tolerate a VE at 10000 € for everyone ... accessible overnight to everyone !!

I think that aid for EV is hypocrisy of the State.
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by Forhorse » 24/08/10, 10:16

There must be two ...
Because I remember the price of the first plasma screens for example.
But as we know the lobby of oil tankers, it is possible that they are not above all suspicion either.
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by dirk pitt » 24/08/10, 11:06

there cannot really be a "mass" effect between an eBike battery and a car battery, which would like the car battery to be cheaper in € / kWh.

techno constraints are increasing with the number of batteries coupled together and the power to be delivered. so this is especially what must be implemented around the battery elements (management, power electronics, wiring, safety elements) as well as the approval constraints which, in my opinion, increase the € / kWh ratio for a car compared to a bicycle.
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by Forhorse » 24/08/10, 11:47

It is not false...

However, the savings made on the engine should still slightly offset the price of batteries.
Otherwise we end up with a vehicle 3 times more expensive than its "counterpart" with internal combustion. Abuse
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by Christophe » 24/08/10, 13:22

Forhorse wrote:There must be two ...
Because I remember the price of the first plasma screens for example.


Yes surely a mix :)

But the point is, EV isn't a "tech push" like flat screens have been.

Citro drives well every day in a 15 year old EV ... and there are ultimately quite a few technological evolutions between its model and the moderns that they are trying to bring out there ...

Forhorse wrote:But as we know the lobby of oil tankers, it is possible that they are not above all suspicion either.


Oil companies are historic partners of car manufacturers, some are so proud that they put them on their rear glasses : Cheesy:

Governments are probably also "pressing" to limit the too rapid development of EVs ... nothing but to slow down the development of the (too?) Expensive park of charging stations ....
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by sen-no-sen » 24/08/10, 13:31

Christophe wrote:

Governments are probably also "pressing" to limit the too rapid development of EVs ... nothing but to slow down the development of the (too?) Expensive park of charging stations ....


Absolutely, moreover the government has not launched any real projects to significantly increase the production of electrical energy ...
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by pb2488 » 24/08/10, 22:10

Christophe wrote:But the point is, EV isn't a "tech push" like flat screens have been.
This may be the problem ...
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by oiseautempete » 25/08/10, 07:52

Christophe wrote:
But the point is, EV isn't a "tech push" like flat screens have been.

Citro drives well every day in a 15 year old EV ... and there are ultimately quite a few technological evolutions between its model and the moderns that they are trying to bring out there ...


Oil companies are historic partners of car manufacturers, some are so proud that they put them on their rear glasses : Cheesy:

Governments are probably also "pressing" to limit the too rapid development of EVs ... nothing but to slow down the development of the (too?) Expensive park of charging stations ....


The electric vehicle is as old as the automobile ... the only braking point has always been the same: the batteries ...
Current battery technology is expensive on the one hand for lack of mass production effect, on the other hand because of the high cost of the materials used.
Oil companies necessarily work in collaboration with manufacturers, and this does not date from today: in the early days of the Citroën brand, this brand even produced its own oil because the lubricating oils of the time were often of poor quality. , then it allied itself with the oldest French specialist Yacco, and later, because Yacco remained too modest a company in view of the stakes, with Total: engine tests are done in collaboration to determine the lubrication needs and the fuels , the quality of combustion and the efficiency being directly linked to it, especially on gasoline engines, this is among other things what determined the UTAC "manufacturers" standard to which only oil tankers comply, which explains the difference in particular. of significant consumption between a standard CE type "supermarket" gasoline (without additives) and that of the petroleum (with additives), as well as very low level of salt. issures (calamine, varnish and gums) ... Diesel are less sensitive to the quality of the fuel which only has a significant impact on the cleanliness of the combustion.
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