The pros and cons of electric cars

[Remundo]

I'm not against small cars and soft mobility

just not to speak of "high end", that does not correspond.

[Former Oceano]

For electric cars it should not be forgotten that they have a 12V battery, if this is lacking the car does not work even with its full charge battery.
Regarding winter, there is a drop in range after charging, my wife's Peugeot Ion goes from 110 km to 94 km after full charge between summer and winter in negative temperatures.
My plug-in hybrid (KIA Optima PHEV) does the same 54 to 49 after charging. On the other hand, there is a trick which consists in staggering the charging times towards the end of the night so that the charging stops a little before the time of leaving for work so that the battery is warm and a little more efficient.

Regarding the pros and cons:
- taking a second-hand car is already recycling, it's cheaper and therefore eco-friendly
- thanks to recovery when slowing down (lifting your foot on the Ion corresponds to braking, stroking the brake pedal amounts to crushing, pressing hard on the brake pedal - an unfortunate reflex when I stab my wife's car - allows you to check the resistance of the seat belt and its ratings...) whether on an EV (Electric Vehicle, EV, BEV) or an HR (Rechargeable Hybrid, PHEV) is an undeniable advantage over pure combustion.
- the look at the instantaneous power consumed (no tachometer but a Charge-ECO-eco-power counter) and the remaining range means that we adopt a smoother driving style, with more anticipation, so less energy-intensive than with thermal.
- For the HR the game becomes to do the max of km in electric, if you switch to "classic" hybrid mode not to arrive at your destination with the least electric km of autonomy because that means that you have burned oil for nothing.
With my last fill-up on the PHEV I did 2634 km (1,71 L/100 km with this fill-up) and again I filled up to anticipate the increase in the price of fuel because I make short trips and AR work in electric and the other journeys in electric/hybrid mix, and I could have fallen below the 1,5 L/100 km mark.
Since I bought this car, my consumption has been 3,12 L/100 km over 25256 km traveled, with several long journeys Vosges/VAR, Vosges Paris,... The objective of less fuel consumption has been achieved.
In all cases, whether EV, HR, you must take the vehicle that corresponds to the most frequent use, the most frequent journey, even if it means occasional thermal use for rare longer journeys (holidays, distant races , ...) where you switch to hybrid on an HR or use a personal thermal, borrowed or rented.

So the pros:
- look at fuel consumption, ecological driving induced by range monitoring, engine efficiency with recovery, cost of use, driving pleasure, absence of noise, absence of emissions during travel (in France with the share decarbonized electricity production emissions are low), will start and drive even in winter with very low temperatures (no fuel gel or engine lubricants), torque and power available from the start, charging at home possible, no smell of fuel, possible recharging in self-consumption PV (profitability to be seen...).
and the cons:
- manufacture of the battery and the motor (lithium, magnets) whether it is environmental cost (but see with regard to the environmental cost for oil -extraction, oil tanker sinking, pipeline breakage, refinery pollution, VOC evaporation, CO2 combustion-) and societal (idem to do with the societal cost of oil -oil lobbies, exploitation/expropriations), winter sensitivity on autonomy, heating taking on the charging battery and therefore on autonomy (use of a by-product of the engine heat explosion), weight of the battery for the long-range EV, insufficient network of terminals and sometimes completely occupied, vehicle charging time, sometimes unsuitable solution for an unplanned and unusual journey, absence of noise (pedestrians/cyclists/ animals in rural areas), necessary development of electrical infrastructure (means of production, distribution, terminals), cost of a new vehicle (excluding Dacia Spring) but there are good opportunities.

[Obamot]

I wonder about buying a used electric vehicle (or hybrid). I therefore looked at the opportunities and saw that after about ten years, the batteries had to be changed, which represents a dissuasive cost.

As a result, the battery “rental” system offered by Renault with its Twizy makes sense, if the battery is exchanged free of charge when it is dead.

[Macro]

Shit I should have changed the batteries of my c zero last year.. Is it serious if I didn't do it???

[Forhorse]

As a result, the battery “rental” system offered by Renault with its Twizy makes sense, if the battery is exchanged free of charge when it is dead.

You can always brush so that Renault (the DIAC) replaces your batteries. They do everything to tell you that they are still up to standard... and since they are the ones who define the standard and do the checks, well...
Some have tried... but basically, except for completely dead batteries (immobilized vehicle), no chance of getting a replacement.

[jean.caissepas]

I wonder about buying a used electric vehicle (or hybrid). I therefore looked at the opportunities and saw that after about ten years, the batteries had to be changed, which represents a dissuasive cost.

As a result, the battery “rental” system offered by Renault with its Twizy makes sense, if the battery is exchanged free of charge when it is dead.

I have read articles for Teslas with LFP batteries: The batteries are given for 15 years with SOH > 70-80%, which suggests a good 20 years of use (including the last with reduced autonomy).

I advise you to go for an EV with LFP batteries (4000 cycles at 100%, which is much more than the lifespan of a VT) in full purchase, without rental.

The choice is still limited for the moment because of the overweight of this technology, and the fact that it has been greatly improved (in China) since last year.

[Obamot]

I wonder about buying a used electric vehicle (or hybrid). I therefore looked at the opportunities and saw that after about ten years, the batteries had to be changed, which represents a dissuasive cost.

As a result, the battery “rental” system offered by Renault with its Twizy makes sense, if the battery is exchanged free of charge when it is dead.

I have read articles for Teslas with LFP batteries: The batteries are given for 15 years with SOH > 70-80%, which suggests a good 20 years of use (including the last with reduced autonomy).

I advise you to go for an EV with LFP batteries (4000 cycles at 100%, which is much more than the lifespan of a VT) in full purchase, without rental.

The choice is still limited for the moment because of the overweight of this technology, and the fact that it has been greatly improved (in China) since last year.

Take...
I was just reading about an independent repairman, who would change your Tesla's battery for 5'000.— US$
https://www.phonandroid.com/tesla-22-50 ... ndant.html

If this is true, and I don't necessarily want a Tesla, at the rate of a consumption of 100€ of fuel per week, then the euro equivalent in battery pack would be amortized in 1 year.

[Obamot]

You can always brush so that Renault (the DIAC) replaces your batteries. They do everything to tell you that they are still up to standard... and since they are the ones who define the standard and do the checks, well...
Some have tried... but basically, except for completely dead batteries (immobilized vehicle), no chance of getting a replacement.

Here https://www.caroom.fr/guide/voiture-pro ... -remplacer

...it is said that a standard exchange (at the dealership) on a Nissan Leaf would cost 4.— (500.— for a Zoe).
...in any case, it is better to buy a used vehicle with a “battery certificate”.

Here... Here... there is necessarily a balance between the cost of replacement batteries, and autonomy...
A Tesla is not a Leaf, and the iMiev/PSA will be dedicated to short trips.

[phil59]

At around 2€ per liter of fuel...

I still did 6-700 km this WE in VE, without any pb ....

[Forhorse]

Me 346km on Saturday, for a short day at the agricultural show. No problem and it cost me 2.5€ (1,25l of diesel... )