Electric car environmental report

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- It is necessary to determine the type of production of electricity (how to compare nuclear / oil?) And their ecological consequence of these different types

Electricity made with large hydraulic dams that does not exist for you?
We don't call that Hydro Quebec for nothing ...
there are still many large reservoirs of multitudes of lakes still to tame, but the coal lobbie of our neighbors to the south is powerful (apparently drowning these large lands to the north in the snow does it pollute enormously? and this harms the hunting grounds autoctones) can they tell us that coal-fired power plants are better? I may be a suitcase but I do not have to handle in the back .. the acid rain that falls in the lakes of pure water full of trout is better
the largest reserve of drinking water in the world not important?


Andre

[Anarion]

I am mainly talking about France by saying that, since we will be dependent on either nuclear / oil (at the moment)

The other types of energy not being or very can be established in France, for me:

Ecology has adapted the solution to the problem!

Something we can do with the electric car, which we put in the context of the gasoline car and not in a new context

But also in the wind turbine, which we build gigantic and therefore far from everything since it is big / nasty / noisy, while the potential of the wind turbine will be much more used in small islets, in the center of the places of energy consumption! (same for photovoltaics)

This is called the Azerty principle / theorem!

(type this on the internet, too long to explain since I have to finish my TPE ^^)


Thanks a lot for your answers ! I risk coming back to this nice fofo and concerning a theme that is close to my heart

[Gregconstruct]

The relief and population density do not always allow the establishment of hydroelectric units as you know in Quebec.

[Chatham]

The hydroelectric potential is exhausted in France where we are moreover cooled following the disaster of Malpasset with the rupture of a dam unfortunately built on a sysmic bill, very frequent here (we are far from the stability of the shield Canadian) ... The last attempt to build dams on the Loire, the only wild river in France, ended, rightly, with a public outcry that I totally approve of, living a short distance away of the Rhine, a river which, although long more natural, remains majestic in the German part, but totally disfigured along the French shore by the numerous hydroelectric dams and the canal ... next to it, Fessenheim, the oldest France's nuclear power plant, we barely notice it ...
It is no coincidence that Canada is the world's largest manufacturer of aluminum, a large devourer of electricity ...

The only European country that has been able to fully develop hydroelectricity is Norway, but the configuration of this country lends itself particularly well with its high plateaus with abundant water resources, very high cliffs (1000m ) in which it is easy to integrate almost invisible underground power plants, with a low population density ...

[Gregconstruct]

Totally agree with you chatam!

[binder]

Interesting. I post another subject which is that of return on investment to gain X grams of CO2 / km (30 or 40). Should we better change or maintain our car and until when?
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[Christophe]

Here is a concrete assessment: https://www.econologie.com/voiture-elect ... -4358.html

[Gaston]

Your comparative assessment is interesting and you are particularly right to insist that CO2 is far from representing all of the pollution.

However, it seems to me that to be fair, the thermal car should include the energy consumed and the CO2 produced by refining and transporting the fuel.

[Christophe]

It is true, but this kind of reasoning only gives orders of comparative magnitudes.

Here the transport / refining efficiency was taken into account: https://www.econologie.com/forums/voiture-el ... 10080.html

I don't know if you were already on this forum at the time ...

Anyway, I think that making a precise global eco balance sheet on CO2 is almost impossible: should we count the oil wars and other indirect oil emissions ???

For nuclear power, some have attempted to make the most complete CO2 assessment, but we quickly reach the same limits: https://www.econologie.com/forums/nucleaire- ... t8139.html

[Gaston]

Without doing a complete assessment from the oil well, it seems to me that we can start from an intermediate point: if we use a heavy fuel oil power station to produce electricity for the EV, the steps must be added for the thermal missing until the fuel is dispensed to the pump (or else the losses from the electrical network must not be taken into account, when they are included in the CO2 figures for the electrical kWh).

I agree that it will not change the figures from simple to double ...