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Health, new about AIDS?




by Cuicui » 27/09/10, 18:29

Do you know these 2 videos?





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by Christophe » 27/09/10, 18:37

I think that it is not too much of econology and that we are little on this forum to be able to objectively debate it for lack of medical knowledge ... :? :? :?

Another report (from 1996!):






HIV is mild for a person with a good diet according to Luc Montagnierl


: Shock:

MacDo is it good or not? : Mrgreen:
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by Cuicui » 27/09/10, 19:43

HIV is mild for a person with a good diet according to Luc Montagnierl

Thank you for these older videos, which go in the same direction.
If I understood correctly, it is not the AIDS virus that causes a drop in the immune system, but it is the drop in the immune system due to various factors (malnutrition, drug addiction, tropical or other diseases, various infections, etc. pollution ...) which could promote the development of what is rightly or wrongly called the "HIV virus".
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by dedeleco » 27/09/10, 23:00

Frightening, Luc Montagnier is aging, and does not see the very dangerous consequences of his declarations and he believes in the virtues of rotten papaya (rather fermented) and good antioxidants with a good well-nourished immune system, to live much older, even with AIDS !!

If you want to be sure, that antioxidants replace abstinence and condoms, ask Luc Montagnier, full of good antioxidants, to spend nights with beautiful AIDS women unfortunately in Africa, we demonstrate it scientifically and stay healthy 4 months later !!

Otherwise do not believe this kind of statements as long as it does not show on itself the reality of its claims !!
He can even be accused of criminal words inciting to not protect himself properly from AIDS, with these videos !!

Reread the story of the discovery of the AIDS virus to better understand the contribution of Luc Montagnier, vis-à-vis those who have been forgotten, despite essential contributions !!
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by Obamot » 28/09/10, 01:32

Christophe wrote:MacDo is it good or not? : Mrgreen:


Answer: 'or not'. : Mrgreen:

Joking aside, in the field of degenerative diseases, chemistry is reaching its limits, it can also be one of the "sources" de la "cause".

Proof of this is the difficulty of developing molecules to fight against multiple sclerosis, which would have no side effects. Those of the current drugs could be as serious as the disease according to the patients suffer (the laboratory Merck KGaA made the sad experience since its "Cladribine Tablets" will not be allowed in Europe.)
By cons Novartis would have succeeded with the approval of the "Gilenia" - for patients, the instructions should be read carefully, but apart from completely reviewing their lifestyle, patients will have no other choice for the moment.

Ditto for tri-therapies ...

Here we are! It brings us back to the search for causes of the disease, and therefore to work upstream, thanks to the "prevention culture" (and prevention ... early). However if the causes of the disease are not what we suppose, we can well propose any treatment, it will only have a placebo effect in the best of cases (but can also have a nocebo effect, or very serious side effects like with AZT, some of which suspect that they are more serious than the disease and even according to other hypotheses, that it would clutter certain receptors in the same way as certain pollutants ...)

Prevention can be conceived when the disease is already there, but it is a severe situation and there is a "memory effect on the body" from the stress he received, or the irreversible degradations. It would therefore be better to start before being reached ...

As for the disease itself, to answer Cuicui, I refer you to the NLC link. Or three other researchers had already pointed out this hypothesis:
Peter Duesberg, Donner Laboratory, University of California Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA, and corresponding
author (fax, 510-643-6455; Email, dueesberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu)
Claus Koehnlein, Internistische Praxis, Koenigswege 14, 24103 Kiel, Germany
David Rasnick, Donner Laboratory, University of California Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA

Right here:


nlc wrote:
To read in full, it allows to have another vision "of the problem":

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... kKJkL8.pdf

Released here ...>


Between that and the obscure circumstances in which this disease was discovered in the 70s ... Professor Luc Montagné had more or less been wet in this affair and the interview is a kind of mea-culpa, in at the same time as he said that Africans "could not feed themselves", what a great generality of the words of a scientist! Which Africans is he talking about? Probably those who are excessively exploited by some multinationals, no longer have the means to eat properly? This is a pretty scandalous a priori!

The most troubling thing about this case is that if you look for traces of the disease in a patient with HIV, you don't find one!

Also disturbing, many patients infected and not developing the disease .... => indeed everything depends on the state of their immunity and above all on the fact that although they have been "in contact", their organism is not does not offer favorable ground for its development. According to the NLC link, and as an example: this would potentially be due to the fact that the POPs favorable to its / emergence / development are not in quantity in the body of the "infected" (or in doses much too low , and therefore the disease "would not have the upper hand") namely that the "receptors" are not already encumbered by pollutants which would block the transit of certain information / vital substances in the organism.

Even more disturbing, the work of Doctor Kousmine, who when she restored a correct diet in her AIDS patients (at the time known as the HIV virus but also: karposi sarcoma, reticulosarcoma, etc.) by eliminating carrences (and possible pollutants) was able to cure them and in other patients with multiple sclerosis to block the progression of the disease. In the latter, as soon as they began to overindulge again, they had an outbreak of the disease, then when they resumed their "diet" their condition stabilized, it was very characteristic.

So be careful what you put on your plate, and protect yourself when you are in contact with chemical substances (respiratory masks, glasses, gloves, and other skin protections ...)

I would conclude that for a long time, the WHO "got rid of AIDS" by creating "UN AIDS" ... Understand who can ... The day when the light dawns, they will always be able to say that all that relates to AIDS, have not referred to them for a long time! A nice irony for the so-called most serious global epidemic which should instead be at the top of their fight list! And also the fact that it is curious that the so announced hecatomb did not take place.
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by Christophe » 28/09/10, 09:11

dedeleco wrote:Otherwise do not believe this kind of statements as long as it does not show on itself the reality of its claims !!
He can even be accused of criminal words inciting to not protect himself properly from AIDS, with these videos !!


Well I hope, for him that he does not speak in a vacuum and that his claims are based on proven scientific research ...

No? : Shock:
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by Obamot » 28/09/10, 09:45

It's a good question but a funny idea!

How is it prescribed that you should stop / stop a treatment given by your doctor, when you strengthen your immune system and fill your deficiencies?

There are two things to distinguish:
- "firefighter medicine" which extinguishes fires.
- "preventive medicine", which prevents them as much as possible from declaring themselves ...

When the fire breaks out, we should try to fight on several fronts. For example in severe cases: a) take the patient out of imminent mortal danger, b) and at the same time prevent the disease from spreading elsewhere c) once life is saved, seek to restore a certain metabolic order so that the patient's body takes over from itself d) prevent it from starting again ... So it would be necessary to practice both types of medicine at the same time, and indeed in these circumstances (with death in perspecitve .. .) some patients become much more receptive ...!

For the rest, if it is possible to get out of it - and it is (several specialists say this and have experienced it, I have personally met and interviewed several) in most cases with the cooperation of the patient (as usual ...) - in order to restore deficient immunity and get by on your own: is it not worth all blind clinical and laboratory tests? :?

Should we look much further, since there is NO contraindication to eat properly, to do a little exercise and to develop a good mind to seek to be happy in its existence ... ? And this, even if we are already sick?

AIDS is a trap for Western medicine, which is always looking for cause and effect relationships (I speak in conventional medicine called "firefighter"). While it is not because we have not identified "causes" (or other causes ...) that they do not exist! And if certain causes are proven, that does not mean either that they will produce presumed effects (by way of example ... the fear that nitrates are transformed into nitrites ... or that we catch cancer of the skin when going under the sun, when it is precisely by going moderately that we will avoid cancer ...)
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by Cuicui » 29/09/10, 10:04

It would therefore be interesting to check whether the patients who developed AIDS did not previously suffer from the situations I mentioned above, in particular: malnutrition, drug addiction, tropical or other diseases, various infections, poisoning by pollutants ...
Does current medicine encourage the search for this kind of correlation?
In case of massive virus infection, it is obviously necessary to extinguish the fire urgently, even if the drugs have a certain toxicity. But once the alert passed and the life saved, it is necessary to continue to treat the ground, so that the body's natural immune defenses can take over. Beware of excessively toxic treatments which attack not only pathogenic germs, but also the immune system. In this case, will eventually lose their effectiveness and do more harm than good.
Pr. Montagnier is not necessarily a joker. Can those who criticize it display a similar list of high-level scientific research and publications?
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by Obamot » 29/09/10, 10:28

Cuicui wrote:It would therefore be interesting to check whether the patients who developed AIDS did not previously suffer from the situations I mentioned above, in particular: malnutrition, drug addiction, tropical or other diseases, various infections, poisoning by pollutants ...
I'm sorry I thought it was clear .... Ok let's resume:

Cuicui wrote:
HIV is mild for a person with a good diet according to Luc Montagnierl

Thank you for these older videos, which go in the same direction.
If I understood correctly, it is not the AIDS virus that causes a drop in the immune system, but it is the drop in the immune system due to various factors (malnutrition, drug addiction, tropical or other diseases, various infections, etc. pollution ...) which could promote the development of what is rightly or wrongly called the "HIV virus".

It is certain that "the ground" (meaning the state of the immune system, the general health, the state of the patient's carrots, etc.) plays a role of the highest order.
Now it's like when we catch a cold, once we are struck by the disease, it takes time for the immune system to recover, or / and then, we must not deny "firefighter medicine "to pass the course.

Cuicui wrote:Does current medicine encourage the search for this kind of correlation?

I was recently treated for a painless otitis (cataloged as more dangerous than painful ...), by .... 3 doctors (including a friend) ... twice the anti-biotic treatments failed. There was a small polyp (anti-biotics had nevertheless made it possible to reduce its size). Finally I succeeded with sage leaf ...

Cuicui wrote:In case of massive virus infection, it is obviously necessary to extinguish the fire urgently, even if the drugs have a certain toxicity.

No, it is in any case not a virus (supposedly a retrovirus, more likely chemical pollutants which are placed in receptors of the organism and disorienting an already deficient immune system ... or something like that).

Cuicui wrote:But once the alert passed and the life saved, it is necessary to continue to treat the ground, so that the body's natural immune defenses can take over. Beware of excessively toxic treatments which attack not only pathogenic germs, but also the immune system. In this case, will eventually lose their effectiveness and do more harm than good.

It is not against infection that we fight but against opportunistic diseases.

Cuicui wrote:Pr. Montagnier is not necessarily a joker. Can those who criticize it display a similar list of high-level scientific research and publications?

For sure. In addition to your links I can quote: Linus Pauling, who was not a doctor (any more than Pasteur in the institute of which Pr Montagnier worked ...) was much more famous. The best is to experiment on yourself if you are not seriously ill, so that you get to know yourself ...

The book from which the NLC report is taken:
"The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and
malnutrition"


The authors:
Peter duesberg et David Rasnick, at the Donner Laboratory, of the very famous University of Berkeley / California.
Claus koehnlein, is an internist practitioner, in Kiel / Germany.

Other works reaching similar conclusions:
Dr. C. Kousmine had his own laboratory and was a laureate of the University of Lausanne.

I had personally interviewed the latter, and I submitted the study to a former chemist, who was a shoe size from the Batelle Institute. All of this is said to be trustworthy.
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by Obamot » 02/10/10, 08:55

For Christophe and you who are asking all of you - very legitimately - this kind of questions about the ability of humans to naturally resist viruses of all kinds, STDs in general and HIV in particular:

Cuicui wrote:It would therefore be interesting to check whether the patients who developed AIDS did not previously suffer from the situations I mentioned above, in particular: malnutrition, drug addiction, tropical or other diseases, various infections, poisoning by pollutants ...
Does current medicine encourage the search for this kind of correlation?

Here is a mea culpa, which falls "at the right time":
http://fr.euronews.net/depeches/507661- ... malteques/

... to prove that "good ground" and "good immunity" are everything to protect against STDs. With regard to knowing:
1) If a good immunity makes it possible not to fall ill if one is infected.
2) What happens when a "healthy carrier" has been intentionally infected or his "immune background" is not conducive to the development of the disease.

This study is reliable, insofar as:
- it is about a "recognition of the facts" in a mea culpa of a crime.
- that the data are known.
- that the sampling is very precise and very representative (1500 people => equivalent to 3000 people in a clinical test: which gives us a very relevant standard deviation, since we have already significant results beyond 500 subjects / patients).
- that the results are known thanks to the report.

Euronews / AFP, 1/10 22:09 CET wrote:US apologizes for knowingly inoculating STDs with Guatemalans

The study was funded by a grant from the American Institutes of Health (NIH) to the Pan American Sanitary Bureau, which later became the Pan American Health Organization.

First of all, researchers inoculated syphilis or gonorrhea into prostitutes, then leaving them to have sex with soldiers or inmates.

In a second phase, “Seeing that few men were infected, the research approach changed and consisted of inoculating (these diseases) directly to soldiers, prisoners and the mentally ill”, according to documents describing the study.

[...] At least one patient died while the study was being conducted, without it being established if the experience is itself at the origin of his death.

So the answer, with total certainty, is: nothing happens in the vast majority of cases, the organism compensates, since it is sufficiently armed to overcome "the attack".

In addition it would be impossible to have a "Best" study than that, where executioners / doctors, have gone so far as to try to kill their "human guinea pigs "(and succeed at least once). Clinical experience would not dare to go that far. Except when patients are aware that they may come across a placebo during treatment (applied to half the sample). While there, the whole sample was classified in an experience situation going further than those of the "placebo" type since they did not know they were infected! So experience in "total blind" (I know, it's excruciating).

QED.
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