The current top in electric aircraft (tourism, business and other)

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Re: The current top in electric plane (tourism)




by GuyGadebois » 11/11/19, 20:55

Strongly fabrics with solar nano-collectors to feed paramotors.
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by Christophe » 12/11/19, 17:59

sen-no-sen wrote:Most light gasoline tourism aircraft still operate on carburetion engines with technologies from the 60s and 70s, it would make more sense to encourage manufacturers to use injection rather than want to electrify the fleet.


Okay ... Lycoming and their block from the 50s (60-70 is too nice!) It really stinks of the heart!

In 2015, I did a baptism in DA40 Diesel injection which ran (automatically) on JetFuel A1 or diesel!

It was an air-conditioned Mercedes 6L engine, it operated at constant RPM, it is the variable pitch which gave the torque / power.
Just like a turboprop.

More info https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_DA40 et https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/priv ... /overview/

sen-no-sen wrote:What about recycling batteries in all their business? The availability of aircraft?


What about recycling engine blocks and different fluids (engine oil, coolant, etc.)?

sen-no-sen wrote:Frankly, given the size of the light aero fleet (2500 planes), it hardly makes sense to do it in the electrical sector, if not in a research and development logic.


Yes for R&D.

But we still need efficient R&D!

Not sure that the Airbus eFan was not deliberately scuttled (like the renault twizy) ...

Its design with 2 small nacelle turbines is monumental bullshit!

This gives a miserable yield of 2,5 gF / W (gram of thrust Force per Watt)! A much simpler paramotor is 5 ... : Cheesy:

But it is true that we must compare what is comparable: a machine at 150 € and several M € of R&D VS 000 € and 5000 budget in R&D or almost!

It is stupid for Airbus engineers that the cheapest is more efficient! : Cheesy:

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I have been developing for 3 years an electric paramotor which will be presentable in a few months. Am in TRL6 now and I can tell you that electricity brings a lot of advantages for the paramotor ...


Yes, the electric paramotor is very interesting indeed, especially in terms of decibel!
Ditto for gliders and drones.
Electric is a great way for small devices.


Ah thank you :)

Yes the DB I measured 97 dB at the head of the pilot (= me), which means that we can do without noise canceling headphones ...

A thermal is between 110 and 115 db ... depending on the engine / propeller cut.

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by GuyGadebois » 12/11/19, 18:32

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sen-no-sen wrote:Most light gasoline tourism aircraft still operate on carburetion engines with technologies from the 60s and 70s, it would make more sense to encourage manufacturers to use injection rather than want to electrify the fleet.

However from 1906 the Antoinette engine operated with direct injection as well as the Messerschmitt with Daimler-Benz DB 600-605 engine.
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by Christophe » 12/11/19, 18:44

GuyGadebois wrote:Messerschmitt with Daimler-Benz DB 600-605 engine.


And better ... some even a water injection!!

Summary table.

MW = Methanol Wasser = Methanol Water 50% 50%

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by sen-no-sen » 12/11/19, 18:47

Christophe wrote:What about recycling engine blocks and different fluids (engine oil, coolant, etc.)?


It is recyclable as for the automobile. What I mean is that the electric in light aviation will not come to change the situation (at least not for a long time) and that the possible electric planes will only create pollution in addition (batteries) that we do not necessarily know how to treat.
Given the reduced fleet I do not see the point, ecologically in any case ???? ... In addition, the procedure in an electric plane will require specific modules if we want to switch to thermal flight and vice versa.

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No, I was digressing on heavy automotive freight. A 44-ton truck with batteries is ineptitude, it would be very wise to make (there are prototypes) electric trucks with direct supply via catenary.
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by GuyGadebois » 12/11/19, 18:57

Christophe wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:Messerschmitt with Daimler-Benz DB 600-605 engine.


And better ... some even a water injection!!

"Yes no, but the water injection doesn't work" (Izy ©)
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by Christophe » 12/11/19, 19:06

GuyGadebois wrote:And better ... some even a water injection!!

"Yes no, but the water injection doesn't work" (Izy ©) [/ quote]

It is well known that scientists in the Reich were branquignoles! : Mrgreen:

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by Christophe » 12/11/19, 19:18

Ah yes I guessed at 1/2 but I would have preferred to be at 1/1 : Cheesy:
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by moinsdewatt » 14/12/19, 15:19

The E-Fan 1.0 enters the museum

On December 16, 2019, the Airbus Innovation department will officially offer the e-Fan 1.0 electric plane to the Aeroscopia museum.

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After the A380 MSN002 at the end of August 2019, it is the turn of the e-Fan 1.0 to leave the Airbus reserves to be exhibited at the Toulouse Aeroscopia museum. This small electric twin-engine made its first flight to Bordeaux-Mérignac, on March 11, 2014, piloted by Didier Esteyne, its designer. It is a continuation of the electric Cri-Cri which had been presented at the Paris Air Show in 2011.

Launched in 2012, it was a little later that Airbus became interested in this project for which the European aircraft manufacturer really caught fire before dropping it. An evolution 2.0 was under study when Airbus, in fact, ended its participation in this project in March 2017 to orient itself towards new hybrid technologies.

In a way, Didier Esteyne's E-Fan 1.0 extends with the new E-Fan X program under development. This is what Aéroscopia is convinced for which, the E-Fan has “served as a technological springboard for future projects of electric flying vehicles. ". It is therefore history in progress that finds its place in the Blagnac museum.


https://www.aerobuzz.fr/breves-culture- ... -au-musee/
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