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by Christophe » 20/11/09, 14:10

If I am not so that 100% of the bill for care is free (door open to ALL abuse and total de-empowerment of the population) some figures below are to be pondered ... even if I have not sources necessary to verify them all.

HEALTH INSURANCE

50 seconds of breathtaking reading. To fill the security gap, our dear rulers found that the best thing was still to make us pay ...

a) From now on, on a medical consultation, we pay 1 euro,
b) We are restricted during our sick leave.
c) We must consult a general practitioner before seeing a specialist ...
d) For any treatment of more than 91 euros, we are 18 euros from our pocket,
e) Tax of 0,50c on boxes

All these measures are intended to fill the famous hole which is to date 11 billion.

Do you know that:

a) Part of the tobacco taxes intended for the Social Security are not refunded. 7.8 billion
b) Part of the alcohol tax, intended for the Social Security, is not transferred. 3.5 billion
c) Part of the automobile insurance premiums intended for the Social Security is not paid back 1. 6 billion
d) The tax on polluting industries intended for the Social Security is not transferred 1,2 billion
e) The share of VAT intended for the Social Security is not transferred. 2.0 billion
f) Late payment to the Social Security for subsidized contracts 2.1 billion
g) Late payment by companies 1.9 billion

By making a beast addition, we arrive at the figure of 20 billion euros.

Conclusion: if the officials of the Social Security and our governments had done their job effectively and above all honestly, the alleged 11 billion holes today would be 9 billion surplus.

These figures come from the social security accounts report.

Circulate this message. By dint of spinning, he may one day arrive on the desk of a thinking head supposed to spend his time managing taxpayers' money.

If the public authorities were really convinced that we must consume 5 fruits and vegetables per day to save our health and therefore health insurance, they would remove the VAT on these products!

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Evelyne DUBIN, Secretary General
Assistant to the Director General

INDL: National Institute for Local Development

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Mail: e.dubin @ indl. Fr


ps: these 20 Billion are undoubtedly diverted in the pocket of the usurers of the public debt ... : Evil:
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by Macro » 20/11/09, 14:37

Christophe wrote:ps: these 20 Billion are undoubtedly diverted in the pocket of the usurers of the public debt ... : Evil:


And it's not over ... Our dear president is relaunching a national loan from the same loan sharks ...
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by Christophe » 20/11/09, 14:40

Ah no there it is different because it is a public loan, like that of EdF: it is the French people who will receive the interest (paid by himself even elsewhere and especially those who have not lent to the State).

It is still a little different than the public debt which I would like one day to know the list of loan sharks and the respective amounts ...
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by Forhorse » 20/11/09, 14:43

Me there is something which I never understood with this hole, it is how precisely they arrive at such a debt.
I may be stupid, a good basic French more stupid than the average, but I would like to understand how the private mutuals (the complementary ones) manage to be beneficiaries while reimbursing a greater part of our care than the secu, whereas the latter, despite all the "plans" put in place to repay its debts and all the indirect revenues that it should normally receive (tobacco, alcohol, etc ...) manages to continue to get into debt.

In my opinion there is a big fuck up behind all that and the security and its famous "hole" must be used to finance something other than our health.
Or, but it comes to the same thing, it is only a pretext to tax us more and more, under the guise of "solidarity"
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by Macro » 20/11/09, 14:47

I'm not an economist ... We borrow money from people who have it ... These people are not going to give away interests ... who is going to rack up these interests ??? The taxpayer..Who will finance the loan ??? Banks ... Personally it would have done me well to lend my econocroques to the state ... To be able to collect a few% per year ...
The idiots instead of that ... I'm going to invest in my energy independence ...

I'm going to say like Ken ... You want to know who you are ... Follow the money ... : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 20/11/09, 15:17

Forhorse wrote:Me there is something which I never understood with this hole, it is how precisely they arrive at such a debt.


Only states and public companies can afford this, it is their privilege !! In the private sector, it would be bankruptcy ...

I wonder on the other hand if in the hole, "they" have addgios year after year ... in short, interest ...

Mutuals are insurance, they are only the complement of the heavy part supported by the social security, that's why they can earn money.

Forhorse wrote:In my opinion there is a big fuck up behind all that and the security and its famous "hole" must be used to finance something other than our health.
Or, but it comes to the same thing, it is only a pretext to tax us more and more, under the guise of "solidarity"


Yes toutafé and in my opinion this other thing, it is the interest of the public debt ... paid for the most part to already very rich ... fiscal exiles of France ...

Macro, a public loan, hence its name, borrows from individuals who have money to invest, so they are the beneficiaries of a large part of the interest (the rest are the management fees) unlike the public debt whose creators are for the most part "private" with regard to the French concept of "public" (individuals, banks, other States ...).

As said above: if kk1 had the list of creators it would interest me ...
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by Leo Maximus » 20/11/09, 15:28

Christophe wrote:If I am not so that 100% of the bill for care is free (door open to ALL abuse and total de-empowerment of the population) some figures below are to be pondered ... even if I have not sources necessary to verify them all.

Personally, I am for 100% support provided, however, to completely review what should be taken care of and what should not be.

A real example: my son was injured (slightly) twice on the ski (not in school). Support by the social security, innumerable x-rays, rehabilitation, pharmacy, splints, etc ... In short, several thousand euros for 2% unnecessary care reimbursed 90% by the Social Security and mutual for a leisure activity. Multiply that by millions of cases each year ... I have nothing against winter sports, it's great, but the consequences of all accidents other than accidents at work must be totally taken care of by a separate insurance.

Ditto for traffic accidents, it's not safe to pay, it's car insurance by increasing their rates.

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by Christophe » 20/11/09, 15:37

Leo Maximus wrote:Personally, I am for 100% support provided, however, to completely review what should be taken care of and what should not be.


Ah well spoken! A real extract from Sarkosist speech : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: (sorry if this offends you). More seriously, you want 100% but that on Y% of the treatments with Y <100% of course ... it is already a little the case not?

Leo Maximus wrote:In short, several thousand euros for care 90% useless reimbursed 100% by the Social Security and the mutual for a leisure activity. Multiply that by millions of cases each year ...


This is the kind of abuse I was just thinking about ... over-medication, overdiagnosis are part of it ... abuse does not come ONLY from "patients".

Now conversely, if we do not take the maximum precaution and if there are complications or even sequelae for life, the societal cost may in some cases be even higher right?

Leo Maximus wrote:Ditto for traffic accidents, it's not safe to pay, it's car insurance by increasing their rates.


Houla ... delicate thesis there!
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by Macro » 20/11/09, 15:39

Christophe wrote:
Macro, a public loan, hence its name, borrows from individuals who have money to invest, so they are the beneficiaries of a large part of the interest (the rest are the management fees) unlike the public debt whose creators are for the most part "private" with regard to the French concept of "public" (individuals, banks, other States ...).

As said above: if kk1 had the list of creators it would interest me ...


Except that there our dear president announced that individuals would not be solicited ... that this loan was going to be financed by the markets ...

The same markets in which we swung a few billion euros a few months ago and who are laying off workers by pretext of a crisis ...

For security ... I had received this email two years ago ...
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by Macro » 20/11/09, 15:41

For traffic ... The most numerous deaths are ... Pedestrians and cyclists ... or the two categories not insured for their travels ...
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