Opinion on HHO kits (engine enriched with water and hydrogen)

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Opinion on HHO kits (engine enriched with water and hydrogen)




by POISSONIST » 15/08/08, 23:33

It's amazing I not find a single French rolling with an HHO kit !!!

Either you have too ashamed to be planted shabby

Either you do not want to share with others!

Either you scared that the authorities choppent you and a glue! This you have can not be wrong !!

Who thinks that if he makes 50% savings does the story tell anybody to live hidden and happy as they say.

Personally I'll do tests with 2 electrolysers.
That is for me to comment ???

Otherwise I will like other chao!
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by camel1 » 15/08/08, 23:53

POISSONIST wrote:Either you have too ashamed to be planted shabby

Either you do not want to share with others!

...
Otherwise I will like other chao!


Go, test it and hold us to the juice, but since it's phony, it's a safe bet that you're not disappointed, and we do not see you here before long ... : Cheesy:

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by POISSONIST » 16/08/08, 01:22

So far, if you read my speeches, I kindly made you win around 15% of conso with driving comfort and more (horses under the hood)

I do not see any positive encouragement on the one hand. Disinterest rather. And even a previous post from someone who is frankly negative. Knowing that he has never done anything at all.
THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF DICUSSION OF CLOCHER.

So if I do not see any interest and this quickly you will have no news of me.

Neither positive nor negative. You will continue to be "petro" gogos.

Nothing easier because no one brought me concrete in this site.

Elsewhere there are many more dynamic people ... and in the process of becoming informed.
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by Christophe » 16/08/08, 01:26

Petroglyph? Hey, sweet, my coco! Already I have had a vehicle that consume 18L / 100 (even when mounted !!) ...

1) For a newcomer, I moderately appreciate your tone ... I think you don't know "who" you're talking to ...

We must have "slightly" more experience than you in water injection and engine improvement ... and clever little ones who sell miracle products have put down more than one ... in fact we got them ... ALL checked out when I thought about it. The only thing that works is water doping ...

2) To my knowledge you are looking to buy a "kit" while we do not assemble the kits but we CONCOVER them and improve for years ... So look at the camel site to convince yourself: http://reaction.directe1.free.fr/ or read this page that I wrote especially for those who discover the injection of water: https://www.econologie.com/synthese-des- ... -3588.html

So we know what we are talking about (we know what works and what is the complete pipo) ... unlike you ...

3) Now buy a $ 1000 $ Hydrogen Doping Kit and come back to us when you get it :) 8) You can even buy one at utopia is in France will avoid the shipping and customs hihiih
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by POISSONIST » 16/08/08, 02:10

You seem true a little more "awake" than I thought.

So I said new here! but not new on ALL the rest. Like you talk to me about the naze who promises mountains and wonders for years. He is known as the white wolf. It's myto in addition to the rest.etc etc

BUT WAIT FOR FRANCE IT'S A VILLAGE! and it's so easy to enjoy the stupidity of our fellow citizens. But I do not eat this bread.

About 18l uphill there you surprise me! Take a car of the same weight with 2 people and come and do a demo in the climb of Semnoz next to Annecy. Let's laugh!
I think the Haute Savoie and its rise are not usual. Where your mistake.

Go, if you go back normally (econologically) you normally get a conso a little higher kind 9 hundred liters accumulated to be nice.

Regarding water systems, given the almost "TOTAL" discretion that I have seen on a few tens of thousands of pages read, I notice that everyone is pulling the cover to themselves.

That's all. On the other hand to us syringuer with carriages etc without interest because already outrageously practiced. And the bike we've been around many times so I see layers ...
Question cycle track we even envious in Annecy ...

When the system is in the water there is also our American friend of the coast is that runs with hydrogen that is made himself with its solar collectors. See TF1.
It does not rust its engine.

there is also my factory installer / burner Weishaupt who tells me that it can switch easily to hydrogen is just the setting of the combustion. And so on and so on.

And so the partial engine in the water between you and me is just a setting for combustion and production related to the engine concerned.

So I do not worry.

I would have liked to see a lot of enthusiastic people and not perpetual bell tower discu.

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by Christophe » 17/08/08, 10:17

POISSONIST wrote:Regarding water systems, given the almost "TOTAL" discretion that I have seen on a few tens of thousands of pages read, I notice that everyone is pulling the cover to themselves.


Well, the difference with this is that nobody takes ownership of the system and we all work in an OPEN SOURCE spirit ... even if it's not easy (recovery attempts) ...

By the way, the name of the system is Gillier Pantone ...

POISSONIST wrote:And so the partial engine in the water between you and me is just a setting for combustion and production related to the engine concerned.


No doubt but then: pkoi it does not interest the automaker?

POISSONIST wrote:So I do not worry.


Me so precisely ...

POISSONIST wrote:I would have liked to see a lot of enthusiastic people and not perpetual bell tower discu.


Ben buy a HHO system and let us share the results, I would like to be wrong on this one!

But you say it yourself: utopia is a mythomaniac ... pkoi it would be different besides atlantic?
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by POISSONIST » 17/08/08, 11:38

Well, for short:

the engines of the cars are not regulated correctly by the constructors.Because:

If you modify the electronic card. POWERSHIPS etc etc
We get more horses and less conso.
(tested and approved!)


If we inject HHO into the engine with gasoline or diesel, we change the carburetion and we virtually eliminate pollution.Because but not only:

In addition to CO2, other gases such as CO carbon monoxide or NOx, all nitrogen oxides, improve the efficiency of the engine. So if we burn them, then we increase the engine efficiency and we do not pollute. This does not prevent polluting CO2.

If you take a bottle of pure hydrogen and you remove the fuel, and you make a carburation / injection adjustment, then you drive without polluting.
My burner installer WEISHAUPT or Cueno or whatever you want can do it.
For example our American friend who rolls with his hydrogen, made by his home solar collectors does it too.
You will see a report on TF1.

Now the difficulty, I would say trick is to find an electrolyzer that produces the highest HHO flow rate and at the same time that consumes as little as possible, to prevent the alternator pump too much electricity on the car and in doing so we consume too much fuel.

Cherry on the cake, the oxygen sensor (which must be changed before 100 000 Km), is deceived by the excess oxygen produced by the electrolyser. So with an EFIE 50 euros (extremely ruinous) it is connected to the car to believe the probe that the mixture is poorer in oxygen.

We thus obtain less consumption of fuel because the probe sends the moon corrected info. That's all.

In the end we must produce HHO but not too much if we consume more electricity than we can compensate with the improvement of the motor efficiency.

That's why we earn at least 20%.

The theoretical maximum efficiency for each engine can not be exceeded unless (heheheh):

we install solar collectors on the roof of the car and lipo battery in the box. And let the car well soak up the sun on the car parks. Follow the idea .... because we can load 500 1000 times gratos.et and then we can unload them to make HHO GRATOS also ....

That's all.........................................
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by bpval » 17/08/08, 14:13

Hello

I did not understand
You can not do more clearly :?:

Hello
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by martien007 » 17/08/08, 15:24

we install solar collectors on the roof of the car and lipo battery in the box. And let the car well soak up the sun on the car parks. Follow the idea .... because we can load 500 1000 times gratos.et and then we can unload them to make HHO GRATOS also ....

That's all.........................................


Since it's so bright : Idea: and so simple :?: why do not you ride with such a vehicle ...... even if we understood nothing about your explanation : Shock:

First why HHO and H2O like everyone?

For engines that work with the pantone system, you have trouble reading the forum : André (specialist: 2 equipped diesel vehicles), PITMIX, zac (many diesel vehicles equipped with pantone + recovered cooking oil), Camel1 (2 diesel vehicles equipped with a steam generator including an 205) and many others that I forgot.

What are you talking about as salads; we should put on glasses and that grow a lot : Cry:
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by abyssin3 » 17/08/08, 16:25

Go, test it and hold us to the juice, but since it's phony, it's a safe bet that you're not disappointed, and we do not see you here before long ...

That's exactly what I said to fishist in another post: the only two of forum who installed this kind of kit have never said anything more. When we know that they have spent between 300 and 1000 € the electrolyser. It's a safe bet that it did not live up to their expectations.
Deuxio, Poissonist, your electrologist water4gasI would never have risked it. And this for a report price / jam jar:
http://water4gas.com/images/water4gas-longbanner.jpg
It's expensive ... But if it works (what I wish you), so much the better.

poissonist wrote:So far if you read my interventions I kindly made you win around 15% of conso with more riding comfort (horses under the hood)

Because you believe:
- that acetone in fuel is new and not used? Same as the SP95?
- that we did not know the AVEC before you arrived?
Here is a link to my vehicle that I already transformed with a Vortex a year ago, when you slept again. I tried everything along, across and across without gaining conso with a vortex. Results: nothing.

And to be honest I am far to be the most active on this forum, so tu we can be 15% win on a gasoline vehicle, uphill (overcharging so). But in the meantime, if you have solutions to save 15% of consumption on sober vehicles, with sober drivers driving you are takers ...

Now, to come back to the subject, I'm also concerned that hydrogen generators work better on diesels (because more tests on these engines simply, and having a better performance at the origin). But what are you tents rest interesting, as I already told you about the other topic ...
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