EDVIGE, the return of the Stasi in France

[I Citro]

Finally signing a virtual petition I don't think it's a question of courage or opinion. I think I defend my opinions quite a bit, you can't contradict me, on the other hand I think I signed only one virtual petition in my life (remind me more pkoi), for the good reason that I think it is useless at all a petition (much like a boycott of a company).

Well it seems that the petition on edvige is making a difference ...

Regarding the boycott, it is thanks to the boycott of the Montgomery bus company that the blacks obtained the abrogation of segregationist laws in the USA, a movement which spread in South Africa ... The assassination of Luther King, n did not prevent this, he even rather strengthened the movement ...

Although that of edvige may have succeeded in tipping the government ... but this is the case for 1% of petitions.

The percentage, we make him say what we want, what counts is the action and the results ...

[Christophe]

Citro, I'm just saying that there isother more effective actions than signing a petition whether virtual or real ...

Participation in a forum of discussion read by 6000 people per day for example ...

[I Citro]

Citro, I'm just saying that there isother more effective actions than signing a petition whether virtual or real ...

Participation in a forum of discussion read by 6000 people per day for example ...

It's not the same thing, the forum informs, opens the debates (up to the limits established by the moderator), he participates in the evolution of mentalities but that's about it.

Petitions, strikes, demonstrations, polls ...
Force the media, decision makers, the public to react
Ignoring them DIRECTLY exposes the targets of these ACTIONS.

[Christophe]

Petitions, strikes, demonstrations, polls ...

Force the media, decision makers, the public to react
Ignoring them DIRECTLY exposes the targets of these ACTIONS.

Pissed off ... it's a little confused (strikes and survey I don't really see the connection)

For petitions, I think that the rate of "success" (that is to say which leads to their cause) is less than 10% ... now these 10% justify the 90% of others you will tell me ...

I still think that a petition does not bring much ...

[Woodcutter]

Petitions, strikes, demonstrations, polls ...

Force the media, decision makers, the public to react
Ignoring them DIRECTLY exposes the targets of these ACTIONS.

Moué ... it's a little confused (strikes and polls I don't really see the connection) [...]

That's the mass effect ratio, right?

For the effect of petitions, we should ask cyber @ cteurs ...

[Christine]

I suggest that all those who are against this filing return their loyalty cards from their stores. Where there are all their contact details, their family situation, their purchases, in what quantity, how often, what means of payment, where when, how ... in short, all this information they gladly give.

Afterwards, they can continue with their credit cards, subscriptions, internet, mobile phone etc.

Be careful, I'm not for edvige, that's for sure. But we must stop playing the scared schizophrenic. I'm sure Sarko knows I'm boycotting WCnet and you know what? Not even afraid !

[Woodcutter]

Surprisingly, the site http://nonaedvige.ras.eu.org/ is no longer accessible ... Chinese syndrome?

[Christophe]

Again?

Yesterday it was no longer: server overload following the JT ... so "normal" ...

It is surprising that it is no longer 24 hours later ... or else it is that they are satisfied with their action.

The domain: http://www.ras.eu.org/ is accessible as for him, but it is the "superdomain" of that of the petition ... which means that there is a very strong chance that they are on the same server!

[Christophe]

Oh no, I was wrong, it is indeed 2 separate servers.

ping nonaedvige.ras.eu.org
Sending a 'ping' request to nonaedvige.ras.eu.org [212.99.93.37]

ping www.ras.eu.org
Sending a ping request on www.ras.eu.org [212.99.93.245]

The server has therefore not been disconnected but (at least) the web server yes .... it's more saturation there.

Owner:

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status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: COMPLETE-MNT
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person: Francois Sauterey
nic-hdl: FS983-RIPE
address: 26-27 rue des envierges
address: 75020 Paris
Email:

code: Select all

francois@sauterey.org

phone: +33143159069
mnt-by: COMPLETE-MNT
source: RIPE#Filtered

% Information related to '212.99.0.0 / 17AS12670 '

route: 212.99.0.0/17
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[I Citro]

Petitions, strikes, demonstrations, polls ...

Force the media, decision makers, the public to react
Ignoring them DIRECTLY exposes the targets of these ACTIONS.

Pissed off ... it's a little confused (strikes and survey I don't really see the connection)

For petitions, I think that the rate of "success" (that is to say which leads to their cause) is less than 10% ... now these 10% justify the 90% of others you will tell me ...

I still think that a petition does not bring much ...

The connection is that actions serve to attract the attention of people and media who do not normally think about them, they play the same role as advertising ...

Le forum plays the same role as an association, a political party, a union, a sect ... It is the place where one comes to inform oneself and to strengthen in his knowledge in order to consolidate his convictions ...
Isn't it Rita?