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by abyssin3 » 18/03/08, 23:58

Unfortunately, the last time Brittany was covered with oil, and after a record fine that total challenged, it was not enough: 450 tonnes of fuel oil heavy in the Loire estuary!
The oil company Total is under fire from the critics of the Greens, Tuesday, March 18, after the pollution of the Loire estuary by tons of fuel oil from the Total refinery in Donges, in Loire-Atlantique.
It is "intolerable that a company which brews so much money is not able to ensure the safety of its facilities", say The Greens.
"Once again, Total is responsible for an oil spill", denounce environmentalists in a press release. "By dumping 450 tonnes of oil into France's only wild river that is the Loire, the company with 13 billion euros in profits is responsible for significant damage to a remarkable and fragile ecosystem," they accuse.
"The softness of the minister"...


More info hereou leaves

At Total, an oil spill drives away another ...
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by gegyx » 19/03/08, 00:25

Total, one more ...

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Will they be able to contain the damage, because the pollution is localized for the moment?
Floating dams? I'd be surprised...
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The Loire, "the last wild river" ...
There it makes me laugh, especially at the mouth!
There are a few dams that temper savagery, especially to continuously supply nuclear power plants.
With a "sea of ​​oil", maybe this will be the case?
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by Christophe » 19/03/08, 00:30

TOTAL MENT in the title that would have been enough ... Finally zone "promised" to take care of everything right?

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by Remundo » 19/03/08, 10:46

Yes, there I didn't really understand how we can empty 450 tons of heavy fuel oil ...

It is really not very liquid, it flows very badly, and with the current supervision of industrial installations, we realize that it is leaking ... before it came out 400 Tons ... n it still does 100 to 200 m3 pouring in addition, it seems in a river ...


Not clear this story ... It's not that I want to be the devil's advocate, but it makes me think of an internal sabotage at the refinery.
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by Christophe » 19/03/08, 10:58

Well, just "make" a big hole in a pipe ... : Cheesy:

Heavy fuel oil is heated to be pumpable ...

Obviously they realized it, there must be a little human error behind it.

An investigation will surely be opened.

ps: internal sabotage ... by whom? Greenpeace? : Mrgreen: If this is the case, accounts on Total to defend this thesis ...

reps: not including 100 to 200 m3 ??
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by Remundo » 19/03/08, 11:23

Because heavy fuel, it must be in the 2 or 3 ton / m3, and I must even be a little wide.

So to make 450 Tons, you need 100 to 200 m3.

It may be a malicious act or it is human error, by the time they understand, everything was spent in the river ...

The investigation will tell.

Here it is 8)
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by Christophe » 19/03/08, 11:33

Uh ben pkoi it floats then? : Mrgreen:

If the heavy fuel oil was heavier than the water, the oil spills would be very reduced ... it would be enough to collect at the bottom at the place of the leak ...

I believe the density is 0.95 right? But hey it must have more "heavy" fuel ... and especially full of different components ...
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by Christophe » 19/03/08, 11:38

Ah I was wrong, it's not 0.95 but 0.99.

Example: Prestige heavy fuel:
http://www.cedre.fr/fr/accident/prestige/produit.htm

Density 15 ° C

0.993 Saybolt-Letonia quality certificate
0.995 Cedre measurement on reference sample


It's stupid as to 1% density plus you avoid many disasters (well it'd be less extensive what ...)

Have you heard / read that where heavy fuel oil has a density of 2 to 3? : Shock:
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by gegyx » 19/03/08, 12:08

Prestige at 15 ° C, Density 0.993 (Quality certificate from Saybolt-Letonia) and 0.995 (Cedre measurement on reference sample)

The heavy fuel of Erika is characterized by a relatively high density, close to that of water and a high initial viscosity
http://www.fne.asso.fr/GP/actualite/ERIKA/erika.htm


Accidental marine pollution:
http://www.cedre.fr/fr/accident/polluti ... telle.html
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by Remundo » 19/03/08, 12:08

Ah well yes, if they float it is less than 1 for the density relative to the water. So in the 1 ton / m3. And so it's 450 m3 in volume. that makes a nice bottle huh? Odd that it empties entirely in a river.

In fact the oil can become really heavy by mixing with sand or gravel. That's why I took off for my density. 8)

Good remark Christophe :!:
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