Geoengineering: cool the Earth against warming

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

Germinal in Southeast Asia, Africa or India (and to a lesser extent in France) is the result of the crisis of capitalism which, from relative surplus value has returned to absolute surplus value, as in " good old "XIX ^th century.

This is why it seemed to me that the savage capitalism of Germinal had nothing to do with that of the glorious thirties.

[ABC2019]

Have you read Germinal?

or the delicacies of colonization, grandpa style ...

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exactions ... t_du_Congo

[ABC2019]

No the serial killer it is capitalism itself.

Ah OK, that was the other option

You seem to advocate a "cool" capitalist system, correct its drifts.

Not a cool capitalism, but a base of normal capitalism with big pies in its g ... le * to make it go where you want and not where it wants.

* taxes in favor of building sites for the long-term common interest.

whatever your economic system, we agree that you suppose you have solved the problem of maintaining an industrial structure without using fossils: and that is not a question of politics or economics, it is a question of physical and technical processes, which is not resolved at the moment.

[Christophe]

No the serial killer it is capitalism itself.

Ah OK, that was the other option

You seem to advocate a "cool" capitalist system, correct its drifts.

Not a cool capitalism, but a base of normal capitalism with big pies in its g ... le * to make it go where you want and not where it wants.

* taxes in favor of building sites for the long-term common interest.

whatever your economic system, we agree that you suppose you have solved the problem of maintaining an industrial structure without using fossils: and that is not a question of politics or economics, it is a question of physical and technical processes, which is not resolved at the moment.

No no no it's a matter of pursuit of maximum profit... and this is why oil has dominated humanity in a few decades ... we are all petroslaves or oil slaves in French in the text.

Obviously we do not count all the costs, the worse it may be even subsidized!

[humus]

No no no it's a matter of pursuit of maximum profit... and this is why oil has dominated humanity in a few decades ... we are all petroslaves or oil slaves in French in the text.

Obviously we do not count all the costs, the worse it may be even subsidized!

Thank you for responding for me (or not responding), I don't read ABC2019 anymore, (ignored) I don't want to be sucked into a bottomless pit, just wanting to be heard by a perverted deaf mind.

"pursuit of maximum profit", this is a good summary of the situation.
As nobody manages to change this system, well we keep it but we plan it down, we channel it authoritatively towards a democratically chosen collective interest.
Because the maximum profit from the top of the pyramid has absolutely nothing chosen by the collective, nor anything democratic.
In terms of economy, we tend to be closer to the feudal system.
And Economic "science", based on a totally erroneous hypothesis by Jean-Baptiste Say, loses all relevance and validity. Yet this is what governs us.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Bapt ... naturelles
There is currently no accounting for natural resources and negative externalities.
the current economy is a utopia, a collective delirium!

We don't revolt enough

[ABC2019]

Ah OK, that was the other option


Not a cool capitalism, but a base of normal capitalism with big pies in its g ... le * to make it go where you want and not where it wants.

* taxes in favor of building sites for the long-term common interest.

whatever your economic system, we agree that you suppose you have solved the problem of maintaining an industrial structure without using fossils: and that is not a question of politics or economics, it is a question of physical and technical processes, which is not resolved at the moment.

No no no it's a matter of pursuit of maximum profit... and this is why oil has dominated humanity in a few decades ... we are all petroslaves or oil slaves in French in the text.

Obviously we do not count all the costs, the worse it may be even subsidized!

not understand, why countries devoid of fossils and having to import them at great expense would make a "maximum profit" with fossils if it was possible to do without them?

a striking example is Iceland which has ZERO fossil resources (too young geologically), which must import them at great expense by boat (too far), and which produces a lot of renewable and not intermittent electricity (hydraulic and geothermal), in in fact, it produces far more than the per capita needs of a Western country. Conclusion: it does not need any new process to produce electricity. She has nothing to beat wind power, PV, nuclear, generation III IV or V, storage ... NOTHING A B ..... SHE ALREADY HAS EVERYTHING YOU NEED AND EVEN GOOD MORE !!!

and yet it produces more CO2 per capita than France. It is surely not because it costs him so little ....

So of course yes we are addicted to industrial society ... like the internet, aren't we, all people? But to say it's other people's fault is so much more comfortable

[Christophe]

whatever your economic system, we agree that you suppose you have solved the problem of maintaining an industrial structure without using fossils: and that is not a question of politics or economics, it is a question of physical and technical processes, which is not resolved at the moment.

No no no it's a matter of pursuit of maximum profit... and this is why oil has dominated humanity in a few decades ... we are all petroslaves or oil slaves in French in the text.

Obviously we do not count all the costs, the worse it may be even subsidized!

not understand, why countries devoid of fossils and having to import them at great expense would make a "maximum profit" with fossils if it was possible to do without them?

Yes you don't understand ... it's not new ... and it's YOUR problem ...

Oil has been sold at cost price since when?

[sen-no-sen]

Germinal in Southeast Asia, Africa or India (and to a lesser extent in France) is the result of the crisis of capitalism which, from relative surplus value has returned to absolute surplus value, as in " good old "XIX ^th century.

This is why it seemed to me that the savage capitalism of Germinal had nothing to do with that of the glorious thirties.

One was not possible without the other.

Christophe wrote:

No no no it's a question of seeking maximum profit ... and that's why oil has dominated humanity in a few decades ... we are all petroslaves or oil slaves in French in the text.

The search for maximum profit is a consequence of MEP principle(maximum entropy production), it is indeed for this reason that oil has dominated: it is flexible, available in large quantities and has a very high rate of return on energy investment compared to other resources.
What we call "capitalism" is the western and modern version of a larger world process: exponential economism. This phenomenon actually corresponds to the phase transition between a stationary type food economy and a growing economy. continuous expansion based on innovation and the exponential deployment of energies and resources.

[humus]

The search for maximum profit is a consequence of MEP principle(maximum entropy production), it is indeed for this reason that oil has dominated: it is flexible, available in large quantities and has a very high rate of return on energy investment compared to other resources.
What we call "capitalism" is the western and modern version of a larger world process: exponential economism. This phenomenon actually corresponds to the phase transition between a stationary type food economy and a growing economy. continuous expansion based on innovation and the exponential deployment of energies and resources.

Yes but if you program an exponential function on your computer, and arbitrarily arrived at ay = 10 you assign to all the following x, y = 10, believe me that capitalism will calm down and your MEP too.
Humans have the right to set the rules for their life in society, they are not required to undergo determinisms.

[sen-no-sen]

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Yes but if you program an exponential function on your computer, and arbitrarily arrived at ay = 10 you assign to all the following x, y = 10, believe me that capitalism will calm down and your MEP too.
Humans have the right to set the rules for their life in society, they are not required to undergo determinisms.

Humans can only get around determinisms by increasing their knowledge of the system considered.As a reminder, determinism does not mean fatalism!)
There are however always determinisms at work, moreover the simple fact of living in society is a determinism (biological and cybernetic):"Unity is strength", in other words, the union maximizes the energy dissipation.
The MEP principle still applies, it cannot be eluded from the reasoning, on the other hand it can be used differently depending on the type of society taken into account.
The MEP principle in nature gives millions of species that have lived and coexisted for billions of years, applied to the economy this gives rise to a plethora of goods and products of all kinds that coexist and manifest themselves on a very short period of time by depleting ecosystems.
The same process does not therefore give the same results, it depends on the model considered, it is up to us to find the best.

In this sense, exponential economism is not to be "calmed", but to be replaced, under penalty of being caught up in its next developments.
To do this it is necessary to understand all the mechanisms and to implement workaround strategies, and unfortunately we are not in a computer, to re-educate it will take generations.