Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses

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Re: Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses




by humus » 25/10/21, 17:05

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Re: Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses




by izentrop » 26/10/21, 00:48

humus wrote:izentrop wrote:
You have a risk of nitrogen hunger. Root vegetables like celeriac and squash, how do you get?

Even though I promote humus, I am not very good at gardening.

I don't make celery but red beets (from Egypt) and pumpkin (red kuri), I'm happy with that. everything went well.
Zucchini OK too, beautiful green leaves.
As said elsewhere, the tomatoes were ravaged by mildew but otherwise they were off to a good start too.

The pumpkin I made on 2 types of soil
- in the ground + BRF like everything else above.
- and also in a 60cm tank of "soil" isolated from the earth by plastic.
In the bin are rotting logs and semi-composted BRF + recent on the surface
You take care of fertility, that's already good. Because otherwise you realize after 3 - 4 years of having started a garden on an old meadow.
Well, for me, it was quite fast, since my layer of earth is about 30 cm, then flint and yellow clay.
humus wrote:I don't do the rotations he specifies and I put BRF everywhere the same all the time.
I am the same, I have a surface area, I do with the desire and the availability of seeds and plants.
In the fall I put compost, manure from my hens, green waste, shredded material (not always BRF, because of everything), a blows of "grelinette" 5 teeth every 30 cm, a blows of the hook to incorporate on the surface and pull out the troublesome roots (quackgrass, nettles)
New cleaning in spring (do not let yourself be invaded), incorporation of my special fertilizer before planting or sowing and it rolls. : Wink:

Yes, for biomax, it is a way to also bring fertilizing OM to the soil. An asset for conservation agriculture.
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Re: Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses




by izentrop » 26/10/21, 01:23

Interesting, but no comparative results. It is not a study like Benoit Noel did, just an observation that organic farming requires plowing for the management of weeds.

Sown before winter, they choose frost plants, hoping that a good frost will decimate this biomax before the next crop, or faca roll or scalp to kill it.
The biomax must not take the upper hand over the next crop otherwise it is dead end or plowing for organic.

In conservation agriculture, weedkiller is a better solution to avoid destroying living soil and de-stocking carbon. It's much better for the soil and the climate ...
It may not be in your genes to understand that.
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Re: Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses




by izentrop » 26/10/21, 03:03

Humus, you say you care about humus, okay

Benoit Noël summarizes at 7-8% humus, a good rate corresponding to 230 kg of nitrogen / ha ...
Pascal Boivin says that it doesn't mean anything without knowing the MO / clay ratio


Did67, the MO / clay ratio, can you explain?

To learn more https://agriculture-de-conservation.com ... niques.pdf
Humus, as a specialist, you must be able to explain to us : Wink:
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by humus » 26/10/21, 09:20

izentrop wrote:Humus, you say you care about humus, okay

I chose this nickname because the humus - we do not honor it enough - is the basis of all life developed on earth, unlike the earth, which in its ethymological sense in Sanskrit means dry place, arid place, such a desert. Not great for the living.
https://sites.google.com/site/etymologi ... me/t/terre.
Clearly, we should have called the planet humus and not planet earth or planet ocean in a pinch.
I operate on instinct informed by (continual) knowledge but on instinct.
An example, without knowing it, I almost adopted the structure of a self-fertile vegan garden by Benoit Noel. My gardening is anarchic, less structured but ultimately everything it says is there at one time or another. Missing the cereal area with the Biomax.
Instinctively I know that humus is better than earth. : Wink:
But I am in no way a humus specialist.

izentrop wrote:To learn more https://agriculture-de-conservation.com ... niques.pdf
Humus, as a specialist, you must be able to explain to us : Wink:

Alas not as a specialist in instinct, I could not explain anything.

izentrop wrote:In conservation agriculture, weedkiller is a better solution to avoid destroying living soil and de-stocking carbon. It's much better for the soil and the climate ...
It may not be in your genes to understand that.


I can understand and hear it but better solution according to what criteria?
Instinctively I know it's not good overall.
So some arguments:
- Fossil weedkillers. It is therefore a non-sustainable solution for the agriculture of preservation we will come back! : Lol:

- Weedkiller suspected as carcinogenic: Monsanto papers, and analogy with retrospective experiments on tobacco good for health, sugar ditto, petroleum ditto, asbestos ditto and prospective with pfizer. Always the same pattern of big bucks telling you if, if it's good for you and knowingly hiding what they know about the harmfulness of their products. Maybe it's not in your genes to understand that? : Wink:
If there is a plot, it is simply that of the money : Arrow: Hence the nasty capitalism, there is consistency in the instinct, yes, yes.

- Other techniques exist including the plant cover, lying down and then crushed, and that is a lasting solution for truly conservation agriculture.

So no you will not convince me of the interest of chemical weedkillers, I am patient I would wait that you come to terms with this reality one day.
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Re: Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses




by izentrop » 26/10/21, 11:57

I knew your instinct was playing tricks on you ... It's just formatted by living room activists.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 26/10/21, 13:37

As for Izygor's instinct, it has disappeared, replaced by certainties and ideas which are not his own in which he believes as a fervent defender of the faith in the mercantile industry which is hidden behind the key word "science. ", his prophet. : roll: :(
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by humus » 26/10/21, 17:29

izentrop wrote:I knew your instinct was playing tricks on you ... It's just formatted by living room activists.

That's what seemed to me, no solid argument behind your beliefs. : roll:
Besides, everything that you post in the subject is not completely coherent: living soil vs herbicides, but hey it is you who will see one day maybe. : roll:
It's a bit like advocating perfectly pure spring water to drink with cola or alcohol.
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by izentrop » 26/10/21, 19:35

humus wrote: living soil vs herbicides
This is not incompatible, on the other hand it is not the case with plowing https://www.terre-net.fr/observatoire-t ... 26581.html
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Re: Successful live soil cultivation in commercial production greenhouses




by humus » 26/10/21, 19:49

izentrop wrote:
humus wrote: living soil vs herbicides
This is not incompatible, on the other hand it is not the case with plowing https://www.terre-net.fr/observatoire-t ... 26581.html


Yes, plowing is bad for the life of the soil although it does not deposit harmful products that accumulate and that does not prevent glyphosate from being carcinogenic (known internally since the ORIGIN by Monsanto)

If it is not harmful, or even beneficial, I advise you to shower with glyphosate once or twice a year (without rinsing with water), you will tell me the result on your state of health over the years.
I like the experiments but I would not try this one.
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