It is true that the information is incomplete.
You have to come across sites intended for "pros", better informed (especially on resistance and there, varieties not resistant to downy mildew but to alternaria, verticiliosis, etc. "sign" a greenhouse variety ...).
On the other hand, we must admit that gardeners "self-pigeon" a lot. If they gave less fanaticism to "old varieties", "collectible varieties" and exchanged more on novelties, it would perhaps be a little less obscurantism!
Frankly, you would be a seed, you would waste time "informing" people who don't give a shit?
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good, tomatoes, (pdt ditto for that matter) after so much discussion just tell me which varieties I should choose for my garden next year, outdoors, therefore quite resistant, which still have a little taste, that are not cocktail tomatoes.
Usually I favor precocity. Hybrids or not don't matter to me, but not greenhouse stuff.
Montfavet seemed not bad to me, but I was able to taste only 2 or 3, matured in the cellar, because the mildew had decimated everything.
But I read other varieties here, I noticed in passing Diplom, De Berao, Spunta, Sarpo Mira, Rikea and so on and some of the best.
Usually I favor precocity. Hybrids or not don't matter to me, but not greenhouse stuff.
Montfavet seemed not bad to me, but I was able to taste only 2 or 3, matured in the cellar, because the mildew had decimated everything.
But I read other varieties here, I noticed in passing Diplom, De Berao, Spunta, Sarpo Mira, Rikea and so on and some of the best.
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Spunta, sarpo mira and rikea are potatoes. For tomatoes outdoors without a greenhouse in a humid late blight climate, the de berao did well, but they are small tomatoes, roughly Roma size. Young punk too. In large sizes, beafsteak has been surprisingly resistant to me.
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Doris wrote:... Young punk too ....
What ? Young punk? Not too loud, I hope! Do they take drugs?
https://soundcloud.com/tomate-punk
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Julienmos wrote:good, tomatoes, (pdt ditto for that matter) after so much discussion just tell me which varieties I should choose for my garden next year, outdoors, therefore quite resistant, which still have a little taste, that are not cocktail tomatoes.
Usually I favor precocity. Hybrids or not don't matter to me, but not greenhouse stuff.
For 2022 we still have time. But I'm like you and start by looking right and left, at least for outdoor plants.
Under cover, I don't think I will change much in my trifecta.
Going towards UR or very strong resistance, hybrid or not, would be a wise solution in order to take the minimum risk.
Doris and Didier told us that, for example, Défian was very good!
I also think that a compromise must be found between precocity and flavor. If the tomatoes are more or less late, they would have more chance to perfect their flavor, especially if the dodger is there. At home, this year, the covered tomatoes are, despite the absence of sun, as numerous, tasty and tasty if not more than those of 2020, for identical varieties. Who knows ! What a lottery!
I add that the plants grafted at home do not stand out from the others and I think that I will no longer transplant in 2022, except so as not to lose control, or for science or for fun.
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Julienmos wrote:
well, the tomatoes, (the pdt ditto elsewhere) after so much discussion
Personally, I enjoyed all these discussions while learning a lot of things!
But we should "organize" to find what suits us best. And since we all have different terroirs and not that, it will prove to be difficult but could be an avenue. Blindly trying this or that variety seems risky to me.
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For me, it will be "not all eggs in the same basket":
a) for the "tomato tunnel": there, I am not afraid of mildew, even in bad years, so "classics" (beef heart, liguria and Bern rose to eat - and a few others), De Berao (especially for the sauce), some classic hybrids (Prévia, Maestria ...); the whole grafted: I have confirmation of "swollen" roots, probable sign of nematodes in the greenhouse (on cucumber) ... Without precaution, it will come in the tunnel. It's still in the same place. Even if it is not an absolute protection, it is one more barrier ...
b) in the greenhouse, a few "very early": Stupice, Bloody butcher, Gregori Altaï; in the greenhouse, I reduce the sails = fewer tomatoes, undoubtedly the most "infested" part of my vegetable garden. With other early vegetables. So "a few" because space is limited. The winter vegetables not all harvested, etc ... So absolute priority to early maturity.
c) outdoors, there, rotation is possible = less problem of "telluric" diseases, but maximum risk of mildew in bad years:
1) a third of ultra-resistant (for full field mass production even in difficult years = grout); a "tomato minimum wage"
2) collectible varieties (which will work 3 out of 4 years and die out 1 out of 4 years, like this year, but I always have at least 1 fruit to keep the seeds)
3) some classics, for good years; without treating, they will be sacrificed in the bad years, which are good years for cabbage, salads, etc. So replacement without dragging feet!
That's roughly how it's going to stack up in light of this year.
a) for the "tomato tunnel": there, I am not afraid of mildew, even in bad years, so "classics" (beef heart, liguria and Bern rose to eat - and a few others), De Berao (especially for the sauce), some classic hybrids (Prévia, Maestria ...); the whole grafted: I have confirmation of "swollen" roots, probable sign of nematodes in the greenhouse (on cucumber) ... Without precaution, it will come in the tunnel. It's still in the same place. Even if it is not an absolute protection, it is one more barrier ...
b) in the greenhouse, a few "very early": Stupice, Bloody butcher, Gregori Altaï; in the greenhouse, I reduce the sails = fewer tomatoes, undoubtedly the most "infested" part of my vegetable garden. With other early vegetables. So "a few" because space is limited. The winter vegetables not all harvested, etc ... So absolute priority to early maturity.
c) outdoors, there, rotation is possible = less problem of "telluric" diseases, but maximum risk of mildew in bad years:
1) a third of ultra-resistant (for full field mass production even in difficult years = grout); a "tomato minimum wage"
2) collectible varieties (which will work 3 out of 4 years and die out 1 out of 4 years, like this year, but I always have at least 1 fruit to keep the seeds)
3) some classics, for good years; without treating, they will be sacrificed in the bad years, which are good years for cabbage, salads, etc. So replacement without dragging feet!
That's roughly how it's going to stack up in light of this year.
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by the way, I understood that there will be a 3rd part (video) on "2021 year of mildew", right?
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Eh yes. Back to the field, to examine all this. Confront it with reality at home.
But here you have the "scoops". Including this strategy for next year (which is a bit of a conclusion!).
I shot again a few days ago. And I harvest tomatoes pretty much every day ... Until yesterday they were surprisingly good. A Télématin team that came to film a week ago was "stuck" ... Today, I don't know. It was green salad! This morning it was chilly. I think the aromas will be over soon!
I just have to glue myself in front of the screens to put it together: 2 boring days!
But here you have the "scoops". Including this strategy for next year (which is a bit of a conclusion!).
I shot again a few days ago. And I harvest tomatoes pretty much every day ... Until yesterday they were surprisingly good. A Télématin team that came to film a week ago was "stuck" ... Today, I don't know. It was green salad! This morning it was chilly. I think the aromas will be over soon!
I just have to glue myself in front of the screens to put it together: 2 boring days!
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Reading you, I realize that my method is not so bad: planting in the open fields, without treatment, a little of everything ... and accepting to have nothing for certain years. Too bad for 2021! I don't have space for a tunnel and my garden is surrounded by tall trees, in an unsuitable climate. Blowing against the storm is not my thing, I would better enjoy the good years ^^
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