Ban on oil boilers from 2022 and gas in 2021!

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Re: Ban on oil boilers from 2022 and gas in 2021!




by phil59 » 27/11/20, 17:48

Macro wrote: I wouldn't want to piss off working 70 hours a week to get it all right ....


Sorry you barely work part time! 7 X 24 = 168H :P :P

I bought an oil-fired boiler a lot of years ago to do like you and burn oil, but I didn't finalize it, health pb .... 100 € I had paid .
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by Macro » 27/11/20, 17:56

You don't have to be sorry ... It's my choice ... Or rather, it's my education that makes .... I assume ..
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by ENERC » 27/11/20, 19:41

Christophe wrote:
ENERC wrote:The priority is to INSULATE.


Yes but on the existing I think that more than 60% of the walls cannot be!

Look at Paris, many neighborhoods are classified ...

Here I took https://api-site.paris.fr/images/84453.
Old buildings built before 1945 (nearly 60% of the Parisian stock), generally in stone or brick and most often adjoining, most often benefit from good thermal inertia, and display energy consumption between 110 and 230 kWh / m2 / year corresponding to levels C and D of the energy labels

The constructions carried out during the Trente Glorieuses (1945 - 1975), using manufactured materials and industrialized architecture governed by the precepts of modern architecture (buildings in metal or concrete structure, larger glass surfaces, roof terraces), without worrying about 'energy saving, have an energy consumption often close to 350 kWh / m2 / year (levels E and F of the energy labels).

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As a result, Haussmann buildings are hardly affected. It is especially the buildings of the Sixties which are concerned. Some are frankly not beautiful: an external ITE with a change of look of the facade would not hurt. : Cheesy:

There is therefore no inevitability in the gas boiler.

But I agree that the ABF (buildings in France) will have to relax their rules: we must get out of "less than 500 m = nan!"
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by thibr » 27/11/20, 20:10

the distribution of losses and one thing but what matters is what is the energy of these losses it is can be very different between the 2 cases : Wink:
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by Exnihiloest » 27/11/20, 20:39

Christophe wrote:With this covid bullshit I hadn't seen this fundamental information prohibition of oil boilers on new or renovation ... from 2022.

The manufacturers and installers of oil boilers, as well as the oil sellers are going to get the hang of it !!

And individuals too, when we tell them a few years later that gas is over, and whether they like it or not, they will have to change their boiler. And to put what? Electric much more expensive and intermittent like the wind ?!
All this in the name of a fable of anthropogenic warming and a fable that we could influence the climate.
The principle is "let's eliminate the solutions that work, we have worse to offer". Ecofascists are making great strides.
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by A.D. 44 » 27/11/20, 21:06

Hi,

Macro wrote:But as Christophe says so well .... The Pac ... It works with an energy mix of almost 80% fossil ....


It's astonishing! ... It seemed to me that the heat pumps functioned mainly thanks to the electrical network ... itself supplied mainly by atomic boilers.

https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete ... sile-6632/

"Finally, note that uranium 235 (235U), used in nuclear reactors, was formed during the supernovae that preceded the formation of the Solar System. So a very long time ago. However, it cannot be qualified as fossil, because it is carbon-free. It is simply a non-renewable fuel. "
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by Christophe » 27/11/20, 21:11

ENERC wrote:As a result, Haussmann buildings are hardly affected. It is especially the buildings of the Sixties which are concerned. Some are frankly not beautiful: an external ITE with a change of look of the facade would not hurt. : Cheesy:

There is therefore no inevitability in the gas boiler.

But I agree that the ABF (buildings in France) will have to relax their rules: we must get out of "less than 500 m = nan!"


Nice the comparison I already knew that the buildings before the war were better insulated than after often by the presence of a double wall with air gap ...

Now if you find acceptable in 2020 a consumption of 20 kWh / year (= +000 L / m2000 fuel oil / gas) for a 3m100 apartment ... me not!

We are far from talking about low energy / low CO2 housing ...

The worst-case strategy is not good: it's not because there is worse that it makes you good ...
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by Christophe » 27/11/20, 21:13

AD 44 wrote:Hi,

Macro wrote:But as Christophe says so well .... The Pac ... It works with an energy mix of almost 80% fossil ....


It's astonishing! ... It seemed to me that the heat pumps functioned mainly thanks to the electrical network ... itself supplied mainly by atomic boilers.

https://www.futura-sciences.com/planete ... sile-6632/

"Finally, note that uranium 235 (235U), used in nuclear reactors, was formed during the supernovae that preceded the formation of the Solar System. So a very long time ago. However, it cannot be qualified as fossil, because it is carbon-free. It is simply a non-renewable fuel. "


Yes, but read further .... Macro considers nuclear energy as a fossil ... : Cheesy:
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by Exnihiloest » 27/11/20, 21:28

Christophe wrote:...
Now if you find acceptable in 2020 a consumption of 20 kWh / year (= +000 L / m2000 fuel oil / gas) for a 3m100 apartment ... me not!
...

It may depend on the temperature you want, or whether you want to ventilate often when opening the windows.
Is it expected that ecofascism will impose the temperature to set winter in his house?
Will we have surveillance militias?
How do you see the future?
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by Christophe » 27/11/20, 21:30

I just took a high value from what is stated in the article: 110 kWh to 230 kWh / m².year ...

And frankly I highly doubt the value of 110 kWh ... which is a value close to traditional houses but (very) well insulated from the post 2000s ...

I think that by heating reasonably we arrive at 250 kWh ...

Should investigate some real offers ... on the websites of real estate agencies : Cheesy:

In short it is not won !!
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