Etienne Klein: "Engineers, frankly, we don't hear them much"

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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/20, 16:06

bob sleigh wrote:They were category B schools located below the grandes écoles.

Your reasoning is flawed by the fact that you assume that the preparatory and DEUG program in those years was fundamentally different, which is wrong.
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These two programs were different, especially for the expected level, the DEUG being more easily accessible. The idea that sup / spé would be as easy as the DEUG, what a funny idea!
Grandes écoles and INSA were intended to train engineers, universities rather researchers or executives from the public or private sector. And sup / spé was intended to train for entrance exams to major schools, the bar is much higher. Not the same job, not the same training.
(This is from experience I'm talking about).
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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/20, 16:18

Christophe wrote:
izentrop wrote:When I see some who believe in things like the "water engine", we shouldn't have taught them critical thinking ....


If it's a personal remark, what I believe, you can square it yourself deeply, you feel my critical mind there?


What vulgarity! We are far from a "I read you from a distracted behind".

Since we are talking about water injection combustion engine

But you are certainly smarter than the GREAT engine engineers Sabathé and Clerget who also injected water ... among others! As well as those of Messerschmitt and F1 teams of the 80s ... and BMW more recently (2015)

Links? References? There are many:

https://www.econologie.com/telechargeme ... ur-diesel/
https://www.econologie.com/injection-ea ... erschmitt/
https://www.econologie.com/introduction-injection-eau/
https://www.econologie.com/injection-ea ... ssentiels/
https://www.econologie.com/injection-ea ... eurs-bref/
https://www.econologie.com/telechargeme ... ction-eau/
https://www.econologie.com/brevets-bmw- ... -analyses/

But why are you wasting your time on one forum so bright are you?


It's full of "big ideas" everywhere, which never come through in everyday life. If they are eliminated when manufacturers could benefit from them, it is because they have crippling flaws. The devil is hiding in the details. It is when we make the prototypes that we realize the difficulty of manufacture which increases the cost, or the premature wear of the parts posing problems of reliability, or of technological limit which prevents the good performance envisaged by the theory and that we do not know how to get around ...
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by Christophe » 23/11/20, 16:26

Exnihiloest wrote: "I read you from a distracted behind".


I note I note ...

Must say that with izy there are liabilities ... : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 23/11/20, 17:03

and how many got this certificate? and at what age?
How much I don't know, we would have to search ... but it was at 12, right?
in my time as they say so more than half a century ago, it was 13 and 14 years for repeaters. for obtaining this certificate '' my question was in relation to the year 1920 mentioned and the integrals. Was it then the same certificate or an equivalent of the current baccalaureate and therefore the age at which it was then obtained, not like in my time when it was limited to mental arithmetic, multiplication / division tables and to learn by heart dates of history, food productions, rivers and tributaries, departments with prefecture and sub-prefecture, the moral that must not be forgotten in order to make us good little French people knowing how to sing Marseille through heart, like "that impure blood water our furrows"... not very moral; that!
Even if there was only 30% success, so what? What do you mean ? Your argument is worth nothing: the level is in free fall and I confirm what you said above ...
So criticize for criticism what is it for?
it wasn't criticism, just curiosity and so I wonder how this level could have fallen so low in such a short time ;?
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by Christophe » 23/11/20, 17:32

It was the certificate of study primary !!

I had come across an old manual with an acquaintance ... I think of the 20s ... maybe 30 ...

I remember it so well it had "shocked" me ...
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by Exnihiloest » 23/11/20, 18:22

I am told that the educational level has not dropped today. I am convinced of the contrary, and as the problem started already years ago, it is now even at the engineer level that we see the gaps.
I'm not sure everyone here would have the certificate today at their age, let alone at the age when it was required.
Some proofs that I have just scanned, of a 1923 certificate:

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by Christophe » 23/11/20, 18:42

So that's good, do you have a book on the certificate? Cool !

Ah ah ah very good idea the events dedicated to girls and boys !!

What does the "pure" Maths page look like?

ps: in history I have 1/5 !! That's all ! : Cheesy: : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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by thibr » 23/11/20, 19:49

a little bit of HS, right? : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 23/11/20, 19:55

Bin no ... we are training engineers ... : Mrgreen:

So it's not HS !! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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