Neon that cracks and blows the circuit breaker replaced by 230V Led Neons

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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Forhorse » 23/11/20, 21:40

Sometimes it doesn't last long ... it's always the led scam ... it can last your whole life, just like dying after 500 hours.

On the other hand, to "convert" a fluorescent lamp into an LED, there is no need to redo the wiring. For the average person, it suffices to replace the starter with the one supplied (which in fact contains a simple fuse) and it works, the ballast does not interfere with operation.
On the other hand, if we want the best performance, yes it is necessary to remove the ballast from the circuit. (in principle a "led" tube only feeds on one side, so the wiring is reduced to its simplest form)
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Christophe » 23/11/20, 23:19

No I don't have an izy starter ... it is surely a hybrid to plug into old transformer circuits for those who do not know how to wire ...

Edit: yes not seen the remark from forhorse, that's it!
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Christophe » 23/11/20, 23:24

Forhorse wrote:
On the other hand, to "convert" a fluorescent lamp into an LED, there is no need to redo the wiring. For the average person, it suffices to replace the starter with the one supplied (which in fact contains a simple fuse) and it works, the ballast does not interfere with operation.


OK that's what I just understood with the trick of the special led starter but keeping the transformer is not a good thing I think ... in my case anyway he was shot! : Cheesy:

Less efficient, more risk of failure, you just have to see the photos above of one of my transformer which almost set fire to ... : Cry:

Forhorse wrote:On the other hand, if we want the best performance, yes it is necessary to remove the ballast from the circuit. (in principle a "led" tube only feeds on one side, so the wiring is reduced to its simplest form)


this is what I just said on the other hand the models that I have mounted feed on both ends ...
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Christophe » 24/11/20, 11:39

These are indeed 36W led and not equivalent 36W ...

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As already said, 2 are more than enough to replace 3 classic 36W neons ...

I would say that even 1 would have done the job of 3 ... but I don't want to go back up the old ones and do a Lux measurement ... will have to take my word for it this time!

If Phillips passes the power to 14.5W and sells it as a 36W equivalent then we have a ratio of 36 / 14.5 = 250% more power for the SILAMPs ... assuming the internal efficiency of the neon is obviously identical. . one can affirm that the "external" efficiency is better without a transformer!

These are the models that I assembled: https://www.silamp.fr/tube-neon-led-120 ... 2x29874523

So 1 neon 36W led replaces 2,5 classic ... my impression of power was good ...

The use of flanged erzatz with a hacked choke which preserve the initial electrical assembly (more complex and source of more failure) for the lazy in electricity does not seem wise to me.

Up to you...

Brightness photos never look good but I can tell you that it spits well!

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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Christophe » 24/11/20, 16:52

Here is a more detailed overview of the installation and the (minor) wiring changes required: https://www.econologie.com/avantages-co ... -halogene/
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Macro » 24/11/20, 17:24

That is to say that to replace my 2x50w in 1m50 in my workshop I could count on only 1 in 28w?


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by Forhorse » 24/11/20, 17:27

For the purchase of led lamps I always look at the indicated value in lumens. and often the "equivalents" are more than a placebo in nature!
The other day I was looking for a 1500mm led tube, those I found in a large DIY store were sold as "equivalent" 58W fluo (ie precisely what they had to replace) ... except that by looking at the luminous flux, it was not even at the same level as a real 36W fluorescent!

It's a bit the same battle with halogens, where we are sold 50W LED projectors supposedly equivalent to 500W ... except that in reality, to have the same luminous flux as a 500W halogen, you have to rely on it. on 100W led projectors.
So I managed to memorize the halogen / led equivalence ratio which must be around 5, and I take 5 for simplicity.
For fluorescent lights (which have a better output than incandescence) I haven't yet found the equivalence value, I think it's between 1.5 and 2 but your experience shows that it would rather be between 2.5 and 3
Maybe taking a default value of 2.5 would be a good compromise and easy to remember (half of 5 which corresponds to halogens)
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Christophe » 24/11/20, 17:28

Macro wrote:That is to say that to replace my 2x50w in 1m50 in my workshop I could count on only 1 in 28w?


https://www.silamp.fr/tube-neon-led-150 ... 2x31249611


28W is a bit short to replace 2x50W but if you find 1 LED of 50W I think that will be enough ...

This longer tube is less powerful than mine, so it's not the same LEDs inside ... (or clamped in voltage?)
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Christophe » 24/11/20, 17:36

Forhorse wrote:For the purchase of led lamps I always look at the indicated value in lumens. and often the "equivalents" are more than a placebo in nature!


Precisely, out of curiosity this afternoon, I checked the Lumens data of a classic 36W Phillips tube (it was Phillips that I had before) ...

MASTER TL-D Super 80 36W / 840 1SL / 25

Fluorescent technology
Wattage (W) 36
Dimmable Yes, with dimmable ballast only
G13 base
Light Color (Kelvin) 4000K - Cool White
Color Code 840 - Cool White
Color Rendering Index (Ra) 80-89
Luminous Flux (Lumen) 3350
Diffusion Angle (degrees) 360
Ballast Required Yes
Luminous Efficiency (Lm / W) 93
Length 120cm


While these 36W LEDs are given for: https://www.silamp.fr/tube-neon-led-120 ... 2x29874523

Power: (in Watt) 36W
Voltage: (in Volt) 220V
Frequency: (in Hertz) 50Hz
Brightness: (in Lumens) 3150 lm
Illumination angle: 120 °
Lighting color: (in Kelvin) 3000K / 4200K / 6400K
Lifespan: (in +/- hours) ~ 20h
Energy class: A +
Guarantee: (in years) 2 years
Certification: CE


Strange knowing that:
- I have more light with my 2 LED tubes than 3 old 36W fluorescent tubes ... (or it was these old tubes that were tired, they are still made in France, some I think ... it is a good indication of their great age !!?)
- we know that the LED output is better than fluorescent ... so I do not see how fluorescent can be brighter (not to mention transformation losses ... 36W is the power that arrives at the fluorescent tube or good to the ballast ???)
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Re: Neon that cracks (explodes?) And trips the circuit breaker?




by Macro » 24/11/20, 17:42

I have 12 neons of 50W .... Or 600W of consumption in my workshop ... With 6 of 28 I will barely go to 170W ... It is Mamita who will be happy ... Because since the opening from the garage .... The EDF bill had seriously increased ...
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