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by izentrop » 25/11/20, 20:06

robob wrote: Remdesivir benefits from RTU but not Ivermectin or HCQ.
The first had been validated initially, but recently not recommended by the WHO https://www.who.int/fr/news-room/featur ... 9-patients

The second has never been validated for covid 19
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 25/11/20, 21:50

A study based on the Raoult protocol has just been released

Assessment of COVID ‐ 19 Treatment containing both Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin: A Natural Clinical Trial

conclusions

This natural trial showed that COVID ‐ 19 regimen containing both HCQ and azithromycin can be helpful to promote recovery of most patients and reduced their signs and symptoms significantly. It also shows some manageable side effects mostly those related to heart rhythm. In the absence of FDA ‐ approved medications to treat COVID ‐ 19, the repurposing of HCQ and azithromycin to control the disease signs and symptoms can be useful.
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by Exnihiloest » 25/11/20, 22:05

izentrop wrote:
robob wrote: Remdesivir benefits from RTU but not Ivermectin or HCQ.
The first had been validated initially, but recently not recommended by the WHO https://www.who.int/fr/news-room/featur ... 9-patients

The second has never been validated for covid 19


I recognize there France-Info, always skewing information to pass the editorial doctrine.
HCQ and ivermectin would wreak "havoc" in South America, when on the one hand France-Info does not provide any figures for this so-called "havoc" and that on the other hand it is only the self-medication the concern, HCQ and ivermectin being used for a long time without any problem when the dosage is well followed. When it comes to self-medication, all drugs can wreak "havoc".

Either they are so scared by fake news, or have been taken over by big pharma or transformed into Radio-Elysée, that they have become incapable of the slightest critical spirit. Servile self-righteous people are better off serving soup.
They would do better to explain to us the calculation method that our chief paltoquet, who regularly tells us to rely on science to establish health measures, especially during confinement, used to arrive at authorizations for exits of 20 km to place of 1 around home. Why not 7,5 or 250?

"Ravages"? !!!
How many deaths? Criteria used to attribute death to HCQ or ivermectin? Under what conditions of use? ...
I see less and less difference between France-Info and blogs without journalist where a few gugus tell everything that comes to their mind without presenting the slightest detailed analysis.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 25/11/20, 23:02

The different journalistic treatments of the Anticov study

the Institute of Tropical Medicine (IMT) in Antwerp, thirteen African countries and an international network of research institutions have joined forces to launch the largest clinical study of COVID-19 in Africa. This study, called ANTICOV, intends to respond to an urgent need: to identify drugs that can treat mild and moderate cases of COVID-19 at an early stage, in order to prevent peaks in hospitalizations that could overwhelm fragile and already overburdened health systems. Africa. This clinical study will be carried out at 19 sites located in 13 countries by the ANTICOV consortium. This consortium brings together 26 leading African organizations and international research and development institutions, coordinated by the medical research NGO DNDi (Drugs for Neglected Diseases initiative).


The largest clinical study in Africa on the treatment of COVID-13 cases before they progress to a severe form in 19 African countries

Covid-19: Anticov, a new African disease treatment trial is being set up

COVID-19: launch in 13 African countries of the largest clinical study

Focus on Anticov, the Pan-African Covid-19 treatment project

While it seemed that no one in the world was using this violent poison that is hydroxychloroquine as part of the covid (except the IHU in Marseille) ... the Guardian is let go ...
Africa's largest Covid treatment clinical trial launched by 13-country network

hydroxychloroquine, which remains the standard of care for Covid-19 today in numerous African countries.
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by izentrop » 26/11/20, 01:17

Exnihiloest wrote:I recognize there France-Info, always skewing information to pass the editorial doctrine.
In the article is written
Today, nearly thirty publications, reviewed and corrected, believe that Ivermectin has not proven its effect against Covid-19.
https://mobile.francetvinfo.fr/replay-r ... 37753.html

Here alone, 54 are listed https://www.medrxiv.org/search/ivermectin%252Bcovid19

Do you know many that prove the effectiveness and that are no longer in "preprint"?
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by izentrop » 26/11/20, 08:48

A good explanation of why observational studies favor HCQ and not randomized studies:
#hydroxychloroquine cannot pharmacologically have an antiviral effect # covid19 and therefore has no beneficial effect

No randomized study (with random draw) shows any benefit

Yet observational studies seem to suggest the opposite ...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1329 ... 64256.html
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by ABC2019 » 26/11/20, 12:20

izentrop wrote:A good explanation of why observational studies favor HCQ and not randomized studies:
#hydroxychloroquine cannot pharmacologically have an antiviral effect # covid19 and therefore has no beneficial effect

No randomized study (with random draw) shows any benefit

Yet observational studies seem to suggest the opposite ...
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1329 ... 64256.html


Do you know HCQ supporters who discuss the possible statistical biases of the studies?

everyone I have heard brushes aside these discussions by saying that it is nitpicking ...
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by Robob » 26/11/20, 12:27

izentrop wrote:
robob wrote: Remdesivir benefits from RTU but not Ivermectin or HCQ.
The first had been validated initially, but recently not recommended by the WHO https://www.who.int/fr/news-room/featur ... 9-patients

The second has never been validated for covid 19

It is in your favorite press that you have to "validate for the covid" and RTU's request is not based on validation by Franceintox reports.
RTU: "The ANSM may regulate prescriptions that do not comply with the marketing authorization (AMM), provided that there is a therapeutic need and that the benefit / risk ratio of the drug is presumed favorable, in particular from published scientific data on efficacy and safety. "
What the judge will have to do is decide whether not to authorize an RTU on Ivermectin (or HCQ) is "correct" even though there was an RTU on Remdesivir. So it is a question of comparing the state of scientific knowledge (benefit / risk) on the two "treatments" at the time of decision making.
I very much doubt that he is in favor of remdesivir but we will see the evaluation of justice, despite the weight of the current disinformation: it is surely not your links to TV reports that will make it possible to judge.
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by ABC2019 » 26/11/20, 12:39

robob wrote:What the judge will have to do is decide whether not to authorize an RTU on Ivermectin (or HCQ) is "correct" even though there was an RTU on Remdesivir. So it is a question of comparing the state of scientific knowledge (benefit / risk) on the two "treatments" at the time of decision making.

suddenly what is the criterion that justice must retain to know if the studies are reliable or not, at the time of decision-making?
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by Janic » 26/11/20, 12:55

suddenly what is the criterion that justice must retain to know if the studies are reliable or not, at the time of decision-making?
justice does not rule on the reliability of studies, but on the arguments of the parties in opposition on these studies and other documents.
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