Covid and Didier Raoult (supporter of hydroxychloroquine): analyzes on the pandemic

[VetusLignum]

Dr. David Samadi's gallery on July 10

Dr. David Samadi: Let's Admit Hydroxychloroquine Can Be a Lifesaver for Some
https://www.newsmax.com/drdavidsamadi/H ... id/975875/

uh I don't understand there

Findings showed that patients treated with hydroxychloroquine by itself had a 13.5% mortality rate; patients treated with both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, had a 20% mortality rate; and patients not treated with either drug had a 26% mortality rate.

it seems to me that all of Raoult's defenders said that it was not the HCQ alone but the HCQ + AZT that was effective, while there the HCQ halved the lethality while the HCQ + AZT did not reduce it almost not that means that by adding AZT, Raoult killed half of his patients that he could have saved? and since he had tried the HCQ alone too, he could not ignore it !!

Answer in the article: the combination of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors.
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

They would probably have further reduced their death rate by giving blood thinners.

[ABC2019]

Dr. David Samadi's gallery on July 10

Dr. David Samadi: Let's Admit Hydroxychloroquine Can Be a Lifesaver for Some
https://www.newsmax.com/drdavidsamadi/H ... id/975875/

uh I don't understand there

Findings showed that patients treated with hydroxychloroquine by itself had a 13.5% mortality rate; patients treated with both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, had a 20% mortality rate; and patients not treated with either drug had a 26% mortality rate.

it seems to me that all of Raoult's defenders said that it was not the HCQ alone but the HCQ + AZT that was effective, while there the HCQ halved the lethality while the HCQ + AZT did not reduce it almost not that means that by adding AZT, Raoult killed half of his patients that he could have saved? and since he had tried the HCQ alone too, he could not ignore it !!

The combination of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors

oh well then sometimes we say that it is useless when the serious symptoms appear, that it is necessary to treat as a preventive, sometimes we say that it is reserved for the serious symptoms ...

and suddenly how do we know if HCQ alone would not have been more effective for these patients then?

it is complicated to interpret differences in lethality, when it is not double blind, ie when populations treated differently did not have the same profile statistically speaking, is not it?

[VetusLignum]

uh I don't understand there


it seems to me that all of Raoult's defenders said that it was not the HCQ alone but the HCQ + AZT that was effective, while there the HCQ halved the lethality while the HCQ + AZT did not reduce it almost not that means that by adding AZT, Raoult killed half of his patients that he could have saved? and since he had tried the HCQ alone too, he could not ignore it !!

The combination of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors

oh well then sometimes we say that it is useless when the serious symptoms appear, that it is necessary to treat as a preventive, sometimes we say that it is reserved for the serious symptoms ...

The Raoult protocol is to give HCQ + AZI (+ probably zinc) at the first signs, for their effects antivirals, in order to avoid complications.
If complications appear, HCQ can still be used for its effect imuno-modulator, AZI also for its effect antibiotic ; but it is also necessary, depending on the patient's condition, to give anti-inflammatory (they did so in the study), and above all, anti coagulants (They did not do it).

[Obamot]

If I'm not mistaken, HCQ has an effect against coronaviruses, the press presented it as something outside its therapeutic scope, arguing further that the molecule would have no effect against viral pneumonia (covid-19) . This is wrong, other chlorinated molecules are used against coronaviruses, such as chlorpheniramine. In addition, HCQ is used against certain pneumonia. Azithromycin is not used against covid-19 but against its inflammatory complications.

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and suddenly how do we know if HCQ alone would not have been more effective for these patients then?

[...] is not it ?

Nothing prevents the use of HCQ + placebo...

"is not it"? ( )

[ABC2019]

The combination of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors

oh well then sometimes we say that it is useless when the serious symptoms appear, that it is necessary to treat as a preventive, sometimes we say that it is reserved for the serious symptoms ...

The Raoult protocol is to give HCQ + AZI (+ probably zinc) at the first signs, for their effects antivirals, in order to avoid complications.

beh why did he reserve it for severe cases then?

it's nerd more if they had given it at the first signs, it would have lowered their case fatality rate, but above all it could have been compared to cases without treatment.

suddenly now we no longer know what is due to what .... as usual I was going to say .

[VetusLignum]

oh well then sometimes we say that it is useless when the serious symptoms appear, that it is necessary to treat as a preventive, sometimes we say that it is reserved for the serious symptoms ...

The Raoult protocol is to give HCQ + AZI (+ probably zinc) at the first signs, for their effects antivirals, in order to avoid complications.

beh why did he reserve it for severe cases then?

it's nerd more if they had given it at the first signs, it would have lowered their case fatality rate, but above all it could have been compared to cases without treatment.

suddenly now we no longer know what is due to what .... as usual I was going to say .

Because the health authorities did not choose to go this route; which is to treat patients at the first signs.
As a result, patients arrive at the hospital in bad enough condition, and while HCQ and AZI may still be helpful, they no longer make a difference on their own. Here, what is "nerd" is not having given anticoagulants. Suddenly, they end up with 88% of their deaths caused by respiratory failure, which is known to be caused by micro-thrombosis, treatable with anticoagulants.

[ABC2019]

The Raoult protocol is to give HCQ + AZI (+ probably zinc) at the first signs, for their effects antivirals, in order to avoid complications.

beh why did he reserve it for severe cases then?

it's nerd more if they had given it at the first signs, it would have lowered their case fatality rate, but above all it could have been compared to cases without treatment.

suddenly now we no longer know what is due to what .... as usual I was going to say .

Because the health authorities did not choose to go this route; which is to treat patients at the first signs.
As a result, patients arrive at the hospital in bad enough condition, and while HCQ and AZI may still be helpful, they no longer make a difference on their own. Here, what is "nerd" is not having given anticoagulants. Suddenly, they end up with 88% of their deaths caused by respiratory failure, which is known to be caused by micro-thrombosis, treatable with anticoagulants.

it's still astonishing that so many people know the right treatments that must be applied in each case on this forum, and also little in hospitals ....

it's the same when it comes to selecting a football team, note !!

[GuyGadebois]

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[VetusLignum]

beh why did he reserve it for severe cases then?

it's nerd more if they had given it at the first signs, it would have lowered their case fatality rate, but above all it could have been compared to cases without treatment.

suddenly now we no longer know what is due to what .... as usual I was going to say .

Because the health authorities did not choose to go this route; which is to treat patients at the first signs.
As a result, patients arrive at the hospital in bad enough condition, and while HCQ and AZI may still be helpful, they no longer make a difference on their own. Here, what is "nerd" is not having given anticoagulants. Suddenly, they end up with 88% of their deaths caused by respiratory failure, which is known to be caused by micro-thrombosis, treatable with anticoagulants.

it's still astonishing that so many people know the right treatments that must be applied in each case on this forum, and also little in hospitals ....

it's the same when it comes to selecting a football team, note !!

You can always be ironic, the interest of blood thinners on patients with respiratory problems is well known. For example :
https://lactualite.com/actualites/covid ... -patients/

For my part, what I observe is that although you have been on this thread for weeks, you give the feeling of having understood nothing from the start; we're still explaining the basics to you.
So, in some cases, it may be helpful to respond, thinking of the readers who, indeed, may be a little lost.
But it seems obvious to me (to me as to others), that you are not as silly as you seem, and that if you constantly pretend to understand nothing, it is just to confuse each other and disrupt the discussion.

[GuyGadebois]

For my part, what I observe is that although you have been on this thread for weeks, you give the feeling of having understood nothing from the start; we're still explaining the basics to you.
So, in some cases, it may be helpful to respond, thinking of the readers who, indeed, may be a little lost.
But it seems obvious to me (to me as to others), that you are not as silly as you seem, and that you pretend to understand nothing just to confuse each other and disturb the discussion.

You finally understood that he does not give a damn about the world, tries to drown the fish, takes people for idiots, asks false questions, does not care about the answers and is only there to spoil the topic. you will do (as you see fit) as we did for a while: You will no longer answer him.