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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Robob » 23/09/20, 18:56

Christophe wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/08/31/us/coronavirus-cases-children.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur



Children and coronavirus in the USA:

Screenshot_2020-09-23 US Coronavirus Rates Are Rising Fast Among Children.png


The assholes will always say "Ah, but we didn't know" ... But of course ...

Those who therefore only reason by lethality or hospitalizations in this crisis are assholes ... and there are many ... unfortunately ...


Those who reason in% could also be assholes:
for example + 356% of hospitalization of children compared to 122% on all. If we have 50 hospitalizations including 000 children at the start, that makes at the end 3 x 50 = 000 hospitalizations including 1.22 x 61 = 000 children. If you see what I'm hard-boiled.
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Christophe » 23/09/20, 19:23

Obviously and I assume these figures! It's like the 2-digit growth% of electric cars ... when you start from the bottom it's easy to grow quickly ...

These figures date from August 20, it would be interesting to have an update 1 month later including 3 weeks of school ...

However, the essence of my remark concerns the painless and therefore unconscious after-effects. We'll talk about it again in a few months ... if you don't mind?

Here is a "small" list of some of these effects: pollution-prevention-health / covid-19-non-respiratory-medical-effects-t16431.html
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by sicetaitsimple » 23/09/20, 19:51

Christophe wrote:However, the essence of my remark concerns the painless and therefore unconscious after-effects. We'll talk about it again in a few months ... if you don't mind?


OK, understood, I have nothing to say about this.

Regarding more recent figures, they are available as of 17/09 (not in the same form) if you go to the sources to which the tweet refers:
https://downloads.aap.org/AAP/PDF/AAP%2 ... 0FINAL.pdf

Note that the notion of "child" varies according to the states: from 0-14 years to 0-20 years:
"General Limitations
• Format, content, and metrics of reported COVID-19 data differed substantially by state
• Definition of “child”: Age ranges reported for children varied by state
(0-14, 0-17, 0-18, 0-19, and 0-20 years;
"
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 24/09/20, 01:13

I did not quite understand on what basis the measures were announced this evening for the region of Marseille and Guyana ...


Effective number of reproduction (effective R) from PCR tests positive for SARS-COV-2 and visits to the emergency rooms with suspected SARS-COV-2 by region, France, over 7 rolling days, from September 6 to 12, 2020 ( Sources: SI-DEP and OSCOUR®)

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The Rs are significant in 10 regions: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, Bourgogne-Franche-Comté, Brittany, Center-Val-de-Loire, Grand Est, Hauts-de-France, Normandy, New Aquitaine, Occitanie and Pays-de -the Loire.

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Evolution of the daily positivity rate (SI-DEP)

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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by izentrop » 24/09/20, 01:57

A lag between decisions and implementation probably.

Public chat https://covidtracker.fr/covidtracker-france/, the effective R drops even faster. In addition, there are more cures, thanks to the effectiveness of the treatments.

Let’s wait for the counter order. : Wink:

Image https://covidtracker.fr/actualisation-d ... -controle/
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 24/09/20, 02:03

izentrop wrote:A lag between decisions and implementation probably.

Public chat https://covidtracker.fr/covidtracker-france/, the effective R drops even faster. In addition, there are more cures, thanks to the effectiveness of the treatments.

Let’s wait for the counter order. : Wink:

Image https://covidtracker.fr/actualisation-d ... -controle/


In fact I did not follow too much in the sense that it was logical that after having welcomed fifteen million people from France and the whole of Europe it flares up a bit.

But what I would like to know is what metrics Veran used to make this decision.

On covid tracker, other departments seem more impacted ...
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by izentrop » 24/09/20, 02:06

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:But what I would like to know is what metrics Veran used to make this decision.
As we can see, until the end of August it was in progress and the scientific council cannot take measures lightly.

Apparently the virus is faster than administration. This is nothing new. :P

Bullshit is sometimes explained.
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 24/09/20, 02:10

izentrop wrote:
Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:But what I would like to know is what metrics Veran used to make this decision.
As we can see, until the end of August it was in progress and the scientific council cannot take measures lightly.

Apparently the virus is faster than administration. This is nothing new. :P


Yeah, be patient, we'll see how it turns out in a few days.
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Remundo » 24/09/20, 08:52

izentrop wrote:But what I would like to know is what metrics Veran used to make this decision.

Don't look for logic,

COVID19 government policy is a mix of sightseeing, backfiring, corruption and incompetence.

Anecdotally, look at Véran's mask ...

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In my establishment, which I will not name ... we do the entire mask ceremony morning and afternoon, but between 12 p.m. and 14 p.m., 800 people shoulder to shoulder eat in the refectory without masks and without distancing. . like before.
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Re: The CONS of Coronavirus




by Christophe » 24/09/20, 08:56

You are a little out of time, aren't you?
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