Coronavirus, who or what and why? What origin?

[ABC2019]

you don't even need to invoke overpopulation. epidemics that killed the oldest and sickest 1% of the population, there must have been every 10 years before. It's just that the healthcare system has become more efficient, and we've gotten used to not having any more, so we discover with dismay that it can happen again. The current crisis is not really health, it is a crisis of narcissism and the hubris of our society.

[lilian07]

We agree ABC2019, I would add that our modern societies are not ready to face indeterminate (natural) things. Our operation is punctuated by more or less disconnected bureaucracy and inefficiency in the face of very concrete things.
The population is caught up in its usual "train train" and suffers from having to refocus on less virtual activities.

[GuyGadebois]

You say nonsense (the two previous ones), the flu, malaria, strokes, cardiovascular diseases, cancer cause millions of deaths every year and no one takes offense. Go drink tea together, you can exchange your stupid gossip.

[ABC2019]

You say nonsense (the two previous ones), the flu, malaria, strokes, cardiovascular diseases, cancer cause millions of deaths every year and no one takes offense. Go drink tea together, you can exchange your stupid gossip.

it goes precisely in the sense that I am saying, it is not the dead in themselves that are unbearable (deaths have always been there and there always will be). What is unbearable is to witness the overflow of our health system, which we began to believe to be all-powerful, or at least safe from acute crisis. To paraphrase Victor Hugo; "Nature only had to clench her fist to show how great she could be."

[GuyGadebois]

We have already diagnosed the causes of the overflow of our health system.

[ABC2019]

We have already diagnosed the causes of the overflow of our health system.

that's political recovery, the health system would have been overwhelmed anyway if we had let the epidemic run. (That does not mean that the policy followed was optimal of course).

[GuyGadebois]

We have already diagnosed the causes of the overflow of our health system.

that's political recovery, the health system would have been overwhelmed anyway if we had let the epidemic run. (That does not mean that the policy followed was optimal of course).

You don't know, so as not to change. "If", if... and if my aunt had one, we would call him my uncle.

[lilian07]

You say nonsense (the two previous ones), the flu, malaria, strokes, cardiovascular diseases, cancer cause millions of deaths every year and no one takes offense. Go drink tea together, you can exchange your stupid gossip.

Strange as an answer.
However, it's going well in the sense of what I'm talking about, all the diseases mentioned cause millions of deaths because we artificially increase the lifespan and the number of people on earth.

In short, this is not the subject, COVID19 is not a straw and it should be compared to similar situations if we want to be able to debate the issue.
It's not RCA or cancer, it's a flu whose intrinsic parameters make it an enemy state.

[ABC2019]

We have already diagnosed the causes of the overflow of our health system.

that's political recovery, the health system would have been overwhelmed anyway if we had let the epidemic run. (That does not mean that the policy followed was optimal of course).

You don't know, so as not to change. "If", if... and if my aunt had one, we would call him my uncle.

obviously that if I know anything about it, there are 67 million French people, it would be necessary to immunize at least 40 million of them for herd immunity to work, and even with a minimum mortality rate of 0,1%, that would still kill 40, and all in a week or two given the exponential progression. We will never have 000 resuscitation beds, it would also be a lot of money in the air since they would be useless most of the time, and we would do much better to spend this money on something else.

You're just in the modern illusion that started to think that if we did everything right, our technological civilization would be so efficient that we would never have any problems - and you take a slap like the others when nature is there to remind you of its realities.

[izentrop]

It's a mess with the COVID 19, this post no longer belongs here

Another hypothesis is that the virus has accidentally escaped from a laboratory.

On the other hand, China seems to accuse the United States of having brought the virus back to them:

the United States must answer three questions related to the COVID-19 epidemic (1/4)
First question, how many cases of COVID-19 were there among the 20 deaths from the flu that started last September? Didn't the United States try to cover up the novel coronavirus pneumonia with influenza? (000/2)
The second question concerns the surprise closure last July of America's largest biochemical weapons research facility, the Fort Detrick base in Maryland. after the shutdown, a series of pneumonia or similar cases appeared in the United States (3/4)
Third question: why did several high-ranking American officials dispose of numerous securities before the fall in stock market values, while assuring the American public that the epidemic of COVID-19 was controllable in the United States? (4/4)

The director of the Mario Negri Institute for Pharmacological Research, Giuseppe Remuzzi, said in an interview recently that cases of pneumonia suspected of COVID-19 were treated in December, or even November last year in Italy.

Australian PM Morrison said on March 20 that around 80% of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Australia are either people infected overseas or people infected with imported cases. "Most are of American descent," he said.

After the closure of the Fort Detrick Base, the N1H1 flu broke out in the United States. October 2019, US bodies held a coded “Event 201” exercise to global pandemic cases. 2 months later, the first case of COVID 19 was confirmed in Wuhan, China.

source: https://twitter.com/AmbassadeChine, March 23, 2020

For the suspicion of the virus escaped from a lab it is here https://www.aimsib.org/2020/03/08/pande ... e-laimsib/

There is also this American delegation which could have brought the virus to China http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-1 ... 473332.htm