Pandemic Coronavirus COVID-19: maps, statistics, analyzes and day-to-day information

[pedrodelavega]

I don't get Raoult's comparison on Florida / Cuba:
Florida: 13316 deaths for 685431 cases -> Case fatality rate 1.9%
Cuba: 116 deaths for 5141 cases -> Case fatality rate 2.3%
Afterwards, Florida was much more affected but the incidence rate is linked to the preventive measures (barrier gestures, confinement, closure of entries into the country, masks, etc.). What does this have to do with HCQ?

Florida: 13316 deaths for 685431 case mass tested -> Rate of lethality 1.9% [= MORTALITY rate and not “lethality”]

No, it is the case fatality rate (number of deaths / number of cases). The mortality rate is number of deaths / Total population.

Without claiming to be categorical, you don't get it, because like ABC2019 you confuse everything. Your cases are the “tested” in total, not the hospitalizations.

The case fatality rate is calculated on the basis of the cases tested positive, (hospitalized or not)!

The definition is however very clear:

The case fatality rate (often called lethality) is the proportion of deaths linked to a particular disease or condition, compared to the total number of cases affected by the disease
The simplest method is to divide the number of deaths linked to the disease by the total number of people infected for a given region or country, this is how the WHO works5. It is expressed either as a number ranging from 0 to 1 or by a percentage between 0% and 100%
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taux_de_l ... alit%C3%A9

[Obamot]

What you gave for Florida was mortality relating to number of cases tested en masse in total! (you cannot do this relative to the total population since it would be necessary to have tested everyone to obtain correct rates)

It has absolutely no statistical value, as you know very well (since the more we test the more the figure is rigged)
You're not going to stop me from using this word when it's the one you used wrongly from the start anyway!

So that, that number, and what you wrote is worth peanuts! And then you come and cry that you don't understand

What is authentic is the hospital case fatality rate!

I will therefore ask you to prove to us that there would have been this total number of hospitalizations in Florida

Florida: [...] 685431 cases

This is your only way to validate that it is indeed lethality! Or at least a statistically representative figure.

But since you still take us all for doggies, you won't be able to do it!

[pedrodelavega]

What you gave for Florida was mortality relating to number of cases tested en masse in total!

Yes this is the definition of lethality:
The case fatality rate (often called lethality) is the proportion of deaths linked to a particular disease or condition, compared to the name TOTAL of cases affected by the disease

[Obamot]

Stop taking us for conies again, your numbers are worthless and of course I challenge your definition of counter (after you have had five beers) on what you claim to be “lethality…”

I leave it to the experts.

The correct method is to:
[...] divide the number of victims by the number of clinically confirmed cases: this is what is currently used in national reports and those of the World Health Organization (WHO)

Source: Antoine Flahault, director of the Institute for Global Health at the University of Geneva.

[pedrodelavega]

I challenge your definition of counter (after you have had five beers) on what you claim to be “lethality…”

This is not MY definition, this is the definition:

WIKIPEDIA: The case fatality rate (often called lethality) is the proportion of deaths linked to a disease or a particular condition, compared to the total number of cases affected by the disease
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taux_de_l ... alit%C3%A9

Academy of Medicine: Case fatality rate (number of deaths compared to the number of people infected)
https://www.ined.fr/fr/lexique/letalite/

The death rate should not be confused with the case fatality rate, which is the proportion of deaths in patients with a given condition.
https://www.vocabulaire-medical.fr/ency ... -mortalite

I stop there. Ask someone else for the definition.

note:

clinically confirmed cases

Does not mean "hospitalized". We have already talked about this, it goes in circles ...

[ABC2019]

Will your confusion last a long time?

for you, as long as you have not understood these notions, probably ... we still have not had your definition of what a death rate and case fatality is according to you, and yet it is not for lack of asking.

[Obamot]

All your blah-blah-blah to say that

note:

clinically confirmed cases

Does not mean "hospitalized". We have already talked about this, it goes in circles ...

Indeed, clinically is an adverb which in this case designates the place, that is to say “the clinic”, there is no doubt: it is indeed:
“Hospitalized cases”.

To be clear, a “clinically confirmed case” is a patient record.
A clinical case is therefore necessarily a case that has been examined following a diagnosis made by a doctor (even despite your delusions)!

Because there are in principle 3 types of case qualification:

Suspicious case.
Probable case.
Confirmed case.

Thus, a “clinically confirmed” covid-19 case can only relate to a case evaluated in a hospital environment (in a clinic). CQFD.
Of course, by extension, a clinical case could just as easily be established in a doctor's office ... or started at home, but it needs to be confirmed in different ways. So that's not the problem. It is a matter of understanding the statistical context in the event of a pandemic.

I do not know of a private medical practice that has all the equipment required to deal with confirmed cases of covid-19: test and analysis equipment, scanners, ventilators, blood bank, intensive care unit, hospital staff ... specialists in each medical discipline required for comorbid states, etc.). In short, let's be serious, covid-19 clinical cases are sick people detected in hospital (and not spirits who transcend their informal substrate by wandering in nature!)
Apart from idiots, who could doubt it?


Failing to demonstrate the opposite (and we cannot do it since there is no other way out) this is what should reasonably apply

[Paul72]

And so a positive PCR test that was not done in a hospital or clinic is not a clinically confirmed case?

[Christophe]

Failing to demonstrate the opposite (and we cannot do it since there is no other way out) this is what should reasonably apply

You are right

[Obamot]

Thank you!

And so a positive PCR test that was not done in a hospital or clinic is not a clinically confirmed case?

And so if this is not the case, knowing that the number of deaths is not variable in the rate, doing ten times more tests will give a statistically significantly correct representation of mortality, according to you? Or is it just an artefact to hide the results of a deplorable management of the health crisis and to try to pass France as a “good student”?

Moreover, when we have 50 tests performed in the hospital, how many must be done next to significantly improve the precision of the clinical sample?