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by Obamot » 22/09/20, 05:55

Adrien:Here is the curve to which you were referring perhaps for Argentina, a mortality rate that it would be well to consolidate by relating it more precisely to the total number of hospitalizations to have a true fatality rate.

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by ABC2019 » 22/09/20, 07:07

Obamot wrote:Adrien:Here is the curve to which you were referring perhaps for Argentina, a mortality rate that it would be well to consolidate by relating it more precisely to the total number of hospitalizations to have a true fatality rate.

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To continue with the precision of the terms, CFR translates to apparent case fatality rate, the number of deaths per case tested positive, which as stated and as you point out is a poor measure of "risk of death. The" death rate " , it's something else, it's the number of deaths per capita, and it can only increase over time, unlike the case fatality rate. The positivity rate Adrien was talking about is something else again, this is the number of positive cases per case tested.
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by Obamot » 22/09/20, 10:50

No, I read the word “mortality”On the board (and not“fatality") : Arrowd: I suggested the meaning by answering that : Arrowd:

Adrien (ex-nico239) in the Ivermectin thread wrote:On the other hand if someone sees a falling death curve in Argentina it's willingly
according to a curve which would be relatively the result of the use of Ivermectin in Argentina ... and I will certainly not enter into yet another controversy in this regard, neither on that nor on the confusion of the terms used by the Anglo- Saxons! This is not the subject.
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by Obamot » 22/09/20, 13:08

: Arrowd: and I add: not “risk” but well rate = "rates" : Arrowd: so you're still wrong : Arrowd:

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But as Remundo says in the other thread, it is the “orders of magnitude” that are important. So I stop there.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 22/09/20, 16:38

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by Remundo » 22/09/20, 17:35

the passage on mutations is very interesting.

Didier RAOULT was more careful not long ago for the link between mutations and the weakening of the pathogenicity of the virus

this time he is more convinced.
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by pedrodelavega » 22/09/20, 18:31

I don't get Raoult's comparison on Florida / Cuba:
Florida: 13316 deaths for 685431 cases -> Case fatality rate 1.9%
Cuba: 116 deaths for 5141 cases -> Case fatality rate 2.3%

Afterwards, Florida was much more affected but the incidence rate is linked to the preventive measures (barrier gestures, confinement, closure of entries into the country, masks, etc.). What does this have to do with HCQ?
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by Christophe » 22/09/20, 18:38

Remundo wrote:Didier RAOULT was more careful not long ago for the link between mutations and the weakening of the pathogenicity of the virus

this time he is more convinced.


I read everything the other way around I don't know where a few days ago ... well, if we have to learn a lesson from this crisis it is that an information valid yesterday may not be valid today. yeah ...

We are off the hook, already I had trouble following the world before the coronavirus ... so now ... pffffuuuuu : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by ABC2019 » 22/09/20, 19:25

Obamot wrote:: arrowd: and I add: not “risk” but well rate = "rates" : Arrowd: so you're still wrong : Arrowd:

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But as Remundo says in the other thread, it is the “orders of magnitude” that are important. So I stop there.

this is an example of confusion that has already been pointed out, we often use "death rate" for "case fatality rate", but it is also used for the true death rate. This is why it is preferable to reserve mortality when we reduce to the total population, and lethality when we reduce to the number of cases, that leads to less confusion in the discussions.
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by Obamot » 22/09/20, 19:51

pedrodelavega wrote:I don't get Raoult's comparison on Florida / Cuba:
Florida: 13316 deaths for 685431 cases -> Case fatality rate 1.9%
Cuba: 116 deaths for 5141 cases -> Case fatality rate 2.3%

Afterwards, Florida was much more affected but the incidence rate is linked to the preventive measures (barrier gestures, confinement, closure of entries into the country, masks, etc.). What does this have to do with HCQ?
Florida: 13316 deaths for 685431 case mass tested -> Rate of lethality 1.9% [= MORTALITY rate and not “lethality”]

Without claiming to be categorical, you don't get it, because like ABC2019 you confuse everything. Your cases are the “tested” in total, not the hospitalizations. With the muddled mind that you have, how can you not have muddled reasoning?

: Arrowd: So repeat the calculation with the total number of cumulative hospitalizations, to see ... : Arrowd:

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Will your confusion last a long time?
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