Dark Water, or how industrialists poison us with water

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Re: Dark Water, or how industrialists poison us with water




by Ahmed » 03/03/21, 21:00

In the name of the Sompany Protectress of Virgules, be thanked, oh Christophe! :P
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 03/03/21, 21:06

Ahmed wrote:In the name of the Sompany Protectress of Virgules, be thanked, oh Christophe! :P

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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 05/05/21, 13:54

Maxam Tan: employees asked to clean up behind them before the plant closes

The activity of the Maxam plant, the last ammonia production site in France, placed in liquidation on January 13, has been extended for three months. Employees must complete the securing of the site, classified Seveso "high". A closure that questions the regulations in place to manage these dangerous places.

"It's a bad science fiction movie." On the phone, Philippe Dutkiewicz launches his reply with the assurance of the one who has repeated it over and over. The deputy mayor of the town of Mazingarbe, in Pas-de-Calais, is starting to get used to it: since the Maxam Tan factory was placed in liquidation on January 13, he tells this "incredible" story. . That of 72 employees at the last ammonia production site in France, who, while waiting to be fired, must ensure the safety of a high Seveso classified site. "We let these people bury themselves without anything in return, philosopher Philippe Dutkiewicz. Fortunately, these employees are very conscientious, and none of them has thought of blowing up the factory. He could do things. damage for several miles around. "

Since the beginning of the year, they have had to evacuate the very dangerous contents of the last relic of the Maxam Tan factory: a large white sphere, which contained nearly 1 tonnes of ammonia. Originally, operations were to be completed on April 13. But the commercial court decided on Wednesday 7 to extend the activity for three months, with an official closure which will only take place on July 13.

"We are not doing badly, blows Stéphane Hugueny, union delegate. We have only 100 tonnes left to exfiltrate." This technical satisfaction nevertheless hides an immense frustration: that of a plan to safeguard employment "PSE" at 5 euros per head, deemed insufficient by the employees, accompanied by a "transactional" bonus of 000 euros, against a promise of non-prosecution at the judicial level. It does not answer this question either: what future for the industrial wasteland that the site will certainly become? In Mazingarbe, as in many places in France, the epilogue of the Seveso classified sites raises questions.
Employees responsible for securing the site

"When a factory stops, there is a safety action to be done, explains Laurence de Palmas, lawyer specializing in environmental law. It is an obligation of the operator." The latter, which responds to the principle of the polluter pays enshrined in French law since the Barnier law of 1995, implies that the responsible company "empties the tanks, removes the waste, cleans the site", continues the lawyer. Maxam Tan, Spanish group managed by an American pension fund, however, placed the plant in compulsory liquidation. "At that point, it is up to the liquidator to manage the security of the site", adds Laurence de Palmas.

Responsible for finding who to entrust this task to: either to the employees present on the site, or to a service provider. "The commercial court had well thought of a third party, but we were convinced that we were the most able to use the tool to evacuate the ammonia, says Stéphane Hugueny. We still asked them to present us the provider capable of doing it. We are still waiting. "
"When the industrialist leaves, the state does not know"

In the case of Maxam Tam, it is therefore to the employees of the company that this heavy task fell. In exchange, they obtained, in addition to their PSE, a "comfortable" security premium, the amount of which has not been disclosed. But the evacuation was not done in a snap. "We had to transform the ammonia into alkali, says Stéphane Hugueny. By schematizing, we mixed it with water so that it could be transported in trucks". These were then recovered by a third party company, which bought the chemical compound for resale. "We thought about the process, we looked for resellers, carriers ... We had to do a lot of handling to achieve this solution", continues the employee. All alone. "Not only have the operators not set foot on the site for eight months, but, in addition, the liquidators have not been able to help us. They were lost."

"The administration does not give the impression of having supported the cessation of activity at this site, agrees Laurence de Palmas. It should have a stronger support role to avoid this kind of situation." For his part, Stéphane Hugueny is more definitive: "We did not really think about the closure and we have obviously forgotten that the factories could be managed by globalized companies, very far from the employees. Today, I will tell you. say plainly: when the industrialist leaves, the State does not know how to close a Seveso site."A question all the more thorny as securing the site is only one step in its depollution.

"An industrial wasteland with too polluted soils"

Legislation has changed a lot since September 21, 2001, and the explosion of the AZF factory in Toulouse. It also became more complex after the dramatic closure of the Metaleurope site in 2003, located in the same department as the Maxan Tan factory. "Since the surprise liquidation of the site, and the enormous blackmail between employment and pollution control, several safeguards have been put in place to ensure the future of these areas", says Laure Verdier, consulting engineer in environment, safety at work and sustainable development and founder of LVR consulting.

Thus, a financial guarantee paid by the operator on his arrival on the site must allow the safety of classified installations which present significant risks of pollution. Enough to pay for part of the site's rehabilitation if the polluter is no longer able to advance the funds at the time of closure. "A good principle, which is not always applied", regrets Laura Verdier.

In the case of Maxan Tan, it was: at the time of the purchase of the plant by the Spanish group, in 2011 the company had deposited a sum - estimated at "several hundred thousand euros" according to a source close to the file - which should be used for the rehabilitation of the site. But it is not certain that it is sufficient: "It only covers the period of Maxan Tan, by the decades of pollution of a chemical site in activity since the end of the XNUMXth century, sighs Philippe Duktieviewcz. The site's employees will soon evacuate the biggest danger. For the rest, I fear that the factory site will only remain a brownfield site, with soils too polluted to be rehabilitated in the short term.."

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Re: Dark Water, or how industrialists poison us with water




by Obamot » 05/05/21, 14:19

The aberrations of our time! Because we don't use ammonia in France? Where is he going to come from now? From Russia?

We relocate, but then it is the transport of “dangerous materials” that poses safety problems!
https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/7229742- ... aille.html

The administration of a company in France, of a Spanish group managed by an American pension fund with tax domicile in Barbados and boss having happy days in Thailand? : Shock:
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 05/05/21, 14:21

Obamot wrote:We relocate ...

We relocate nothing, all this is only speculation of pension funds (Spanish box, American funds) which do not give a damn about borders.
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How industrialists poison us with sugar




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Re: Dark Water, or how industrialists poison us with water




by Exnihiloest » 31/08/21, 17:14

Obamot wrote:The aberrations of our time! Because we don't use ammonia in France? Where is he going to come from now? From Russia?
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Ammonia ?! It's chemistry, it's industry, it's very bad for the planet!
Never again !
And bleach, hey!
Bravo France, which sets an example to the world by deindustrialising and making us return to the caves.

Want to clean up? Rub with Marseille soap. And again, do we have double-blind confirmation of the lack of effect, are we sure that the soapy water that will go to the sewers will not have a negative impact on the environment? Where are the studies to prove it?
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 31/08/21, 17:36

(And the other congenital moron, all blinded by his whims that he is, has STRICTLY NOTHING UNDERSTOOD in Marianne's article. But then, NOTHING !!!! More and more spoiled, the old crouton .. ..)
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by Obamot » 31/08/21, 18:57

And in addition, just like ABC, relaxed sphincter he cannot read ...! He invented everything from start to finish, nothing I wrote corresponds to his whimsical remarks. He did not see the quotes and does not know that both chlorine and ammonia are present in the human body (that's why I put the quotes)!

When Ex Nihilo farts in his underpants (methane) and when he also pisses (ammonia ...) that's culture : Mrgreen:

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by jean.caissepas » 01/09/21, 00:55

Exnihiloest wrote:Ammonia ?! It's chemistry, it's industry, it's very bad for the planet!
Never again !
And bleach, hey!
Bravo France, which sets an example to the world by deindustrialising and making us return to the caves.


Ammonia is widely used in agriculture to fertilize soils. Farmers are trained in good burial techniques 5 cm below the surface to prevent evaporation. This brings nitrogen to the soil quickly with little loss and risk of pollution.

AZF exploded because of a mixture of Chlorine and ammonia (human error apparently) which has the annoying tendency to explode easily and strongly.
The soldiers call it the poor man's bomb ...
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