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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by Janic » 21/03/20, 10:36

The day homeopathy has the same cure rates as science-based medicine, we will talk about it again ....
this has been the case for a long time. Reread the previous testimonies! The omerta of your friends does not prevent reality from existing. Also re-read all the failures of your supposed scientific medicine like for cancers, heart diseases, there it is a huge acknowledgment of failure and you are too conditioned by your sects to realize it.
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Know how to change your mind when faced with the evidence of the effectiveness of homeopathy
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November 29, 2019
“No efficacy of homeopathy is scientifically proven”…
This was affirmed by the Academies of Medicine and Pharmacy, on March 26, 2019, by ruling on the one hand against the reimbursement of homeopathic specialties, but also against the teaching of this discipline in the Faculties of Medicine and of pharmacy.
This makes me want to tell you a TRUE little story. It is narrated by Pierre Lance, journalist and writer, who has long pointed the finger at the “forbidden discoveries” in his famous works: “Cursed scholars, excluded researchers”.
Obviously a drug which no longer contains the slightest atom of the original substance can have no effect on any pathology; at first it seems logical! But this is to ignore the basics of experimental medicine set out by Claude Bernard and which can be summarized as follows: "Before the facts, the theory must bow." but where are the facts? I come back to my story: it is that of Professor Jean-Claude CAZIN, who was dean of the Faculty of Pharmacy in Lille. He was a priori very hostile to Homeopathy. But he demonstrated an intellectual honesty that we would like to meet more often with our dominant scholars ; he has completely changed his opinion, following experiments carried out with the greatest rigor. Professor Cazin wanted to counter the results of a study communicated by BOIRON which had been the subject of a publication published in the medical press and which scandalized him; it was about an experiment carried out on rats, and which established the effectiveness of the remedy Phosphorus in 9ch in case of cirrhosis and of the remedy Arsenicum album 9ch in case of poisoning by arsenic. In order to confuse the authors of the study, he had the experiment carried out in his own laboratory. The protocol to follow was as follows: a group of rats is given a lethal dose of arsenic; then only half of the rats receive Arsenicum. Some time later, the person who had carried out the protocol came to explain to Pf Cazin that after having repeated the experiment several times he had to face the facts: the only surviving rats were those who had received the homeopathic remedy. And it is here that we measure the strength of a prejudice when it has colonized a spirit. Dean Cazin could not accept the reality of this result and convinced himself that Boiron had bribed his laboratory assistant. So he decided to have the experiment started again by his laboratory chief. A few weeks later, the latter communicated the results to him and they were identical to those obtained by the previous experimenter. Always incredulous, Pf Cazin then decided to carry out the experiments himself, but the results were the same, not all rats treated with homeopathy died. Trapped in his prejudice that a homeopathic remedy cannot be effective, Dean Cazin preferred to imagine an incredible intrusion in his laboratory. He therefore changed the locks of the room, keeping the keys with him day and night, so that no one could access the rats; then he carried out the experiment himself ... and the result was obviously similar to the previous ones: homeopathy saved rats, impossible to deny the evidence ! An honest man, Dean Cazin finally surrendered and threw his prejudice into the nettles. He decided to encourage the development of a university diploma in homeopathy at the Faculty of Lille, the first Faculty to take this initiative, thereby creating a precedent which encouraged Strasbourg, then Monpellier and others to follow the same path. The veracity of this story is confirmed to us by Francine Drieu (pharmacist and HSF trainer) who herself has taught for many years at the Faculty of Lille and has well known Dean Cazin and his broad openness. Professor Cazin (who died in 2011) has been replaced for a long time and the new authorities of the Faculty of Medicine of Lille announced last fall that they were suspending the university diploma in homeopathy which had existed for forty years! This created a new "precedent" which led the other Faculties to do the same. would the new generations of rats have become insensitive to Arsenicum? Should we consider that prejudices die hard? Some even say that prejudice never dies! Or would other mobiles not be in play? Who benefits from the crime? I would like to be wrong, but I sadly think today that the decisions explained at the beginning from our high health authorities very slowly announce the complete ban on teaching and even using Homeopathy.

Dr. Christine Arnoux
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by pedrodelavega » 21/03/20, 10:53

Janic wrote:
The day homeopathy has the same cure rates as science-based medicine, we will talk about it again ....
this has been the case for a long time. Reread the previous testimonies!
Testimonies are not evidence.
"We do science with facts, as we make a house with stones: but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a pile of stones is a house."
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by Janic » 21/03/20, 11:22

by pedrodelavega "21/03/20, 11:53 PM
pedrodelavega: The day when homeopathy has the same cure rates as medicine based on science, we will talk about it again ....
janic wrote: this has been the case for a long time. Reread the previous testimonies! [
quote] Testimonies are not evidence. [/ quote] except that without testimonies, no proof either! What do you think the phase IV clinical trials are based on: TESTIMONIALS! It's the chicken or the egg! : Cheesy:
You get as bad as ABC! Unless you rubbed off on him! the chicken or the egg! :?
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by pedrodelavega » 21/03/20, 12:00

Janic wrote:What do you think the phase IV clinical trials are based on: TESTIMONIALS!
Phase 4 is not used to determine effectiveness. It is a monitoring phase. The effectiveness is evaluated in phase 2 and 3 via controlled trials, these are not collections of testimonials taken at random:
"Can we not be satisfied with the bare experience?
No, that is impossible; that would be to ignore completely the true character of science. The scientist must order; science is done with facts like a house with stones; but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a pile of stones is a house. "- Henri Poincaré


Janic wrote:You get as bad as ABC! Unless you rubbed off on him! the chicken or the egg! :?
Interest of your insults?
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by Janic » 21/03/20, 12:34

by pedrodelavega "21/03/20, 13:00 PM
Janic wrote:
What do you think the phase IV clinical trials are based on: TESTIMONIALS!
Phase 4 is not used to determine effectiveness. It is a monitoring phase. The effectiveness is evaluated in phase 2 and 3 via controlled trials, these are not collections of testimonials taken at random:
don't you feel like you are reversing things? The effectiveness of a product on healthy individuals in phase 2 is impossible. On the other hand (and this is what the drug companies say) they are used to check the toxicity.
"Can we not be satisfied with the bare experience?
No, this is impossible; it would be to completely ignore the true character of science. The scientist must order;
because, according to you, the doctors are not scientists, not knowing how to order? So they do between 9 and 12 years of studies for plums?
Janic wrote:
You get as bad as ABC! Unless you rubbed off on him! the chicken or the egg! :?
Interest of your insults?
it's not an insult, just an observation, otherwise I would have used the expression of your clone when calling you an asshole. But god forbid, he reserves just that for the doctors! And you? 8)
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by ABC2019 » 21/03/20, 13:21

Janic wrote:ABC2019 »21/03/20, 10:21
Janic wrote:
Ah, ah, ah! And what do you call your insults on the doctors! Assholes, is that right?
not the assholes, they are those who propagate sentences without checking their sources, even who invent them. I said "assholes like you", and you're not a doctor if I understood correctly?
Except that it is precisely "propagated" by doctors, so you did not read it as usual? You prefer your usual fakenews! Who is the asshole in question of this fact?

I do not know if it is doctors, you make a copy paste of a source without giving any reference which makes it possible to verify its reliability! you keep talking about "fake news", so explain to us what method you have to check that what you read in your books is not fake news? I repeat, if you have a criterion of credibility, then it must be applied in a uniform way, to all your information.
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by ABC2019 » 21/03/20, 13:26

Janic wrote:because, according to you, the doctors are not scientists, not knowing how to order?

me not at all, me I think the doctors H. are absolutely right to prescribe sugar granules for unimportant sores, it plays the placebo effect and natural defenses optimally, without overconsumption of potentially products toxic or useless antibiotics that are much better to keep for serious cases. I do not blame the parents either for blowing on the sores of their children to make them leave, even if to my knowledge the clinical effectiveness of this method has never been proven.
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by Janic » 21/03/20, 13:29

no one as usual, as with all ignoramuses!
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by pedrodelavega » 22/03/20, 15:38

Janic wrote:
Phase 4 is not used to determine effectiveness. It is a monitoring phase. The effectiveness is evaluated in phase 2 and 3 via controlled trials, these are not collections of testimonials taken at random:
don't you feel like you are reversing things?
No it's you. Since the time that we talk about clinical trials ....
And you insult and call others ignorant ...: roll: : roll: : roll:

Janic wrote: The effectiveness of a product on healthy individuals in phase 2 is impossible.
Phase 2 is performed on patients ... : roll:

Janic wrote: On the other hand (and this is what the drug companies say) they are used to check the toxicity.
And efficiency:
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Source: leem, drug companies
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Re: The benefits of homeopathy and food and other alternatives.

by Janic » 22/03/20, 17:11

pedrodelavega »22 / 03 / 20, 16: 38
Janic wrote:
Phase 4 is not used to determine effectiveness. It is a monitoring phase. The effectiveness is evaluated in phase 2 and 3 via controlled trials, these are not collections of testimonials taken at random:
you do not have the impression to reverse things?
No it's you. Since the time that we talk about clinical trials ....
And you insult and call others ignorant ...: roll: : roll: : roll:
Janic wrote:
The effectiveness of a product on healthy individuals in phase 2,it's impossible.
Phase 2 is performed on patients ... : roll:
Janic wrote:
On the other hand (and this is what the drug companies say) they are used to check the toxicity.
And efficiency:


actually and therefore meaculpa and to avoid any confusion here is what LEEM writes
https://www.leem.org/recherche-et-developpement

Clinical trials
Only 1 drug out of 10 candidates will reach this stage. These studies are carried out in three main phases, which must be carried out according to good clinical practice. They are carried out in hospitals or in medical offices, under the responsibility of expert doctors: investigators.

Phase 1: tolerance or safety

Increasing amounts of the new molecule are being administered to healthy volunteers, under close supervision. This phase allows to assess the broad outlines of the product's tolerance profile and its pharmacological activity.[*]

Phase 2: efficacy of the product in small populations and dose research

This phase takes place in a small number of hospitalized patients. Here, it is a question of defining the optimal dose, that is to say the one for which the therapeutic effect is the best with the fewest side effects. Proof of concept studies are used to validate a new treatment hypothesis in the patient.

Phase 3: “pivotal” studies

Under conditions as close as possible to the usual conditions of use of the treatments, the efficacy and safety are studied in comparison with the reference treatment or with a placebo. This is verified on a large group of patients. Precautions for use and risks of interaction with other products are identi fi ed. The trials can cover several hundred to several thousand patients.

These three stages, when successfully completed, will be incorporated into the dossier which will be presented to the health authorities to receive, with official approval, the marketing authorization. The medicine will then be made available to patients. Only "original" drugs go through these long stages. The “generic” version of a drug is a copy of the original molecule. It does not pass this long cycle of tests.

[*] the broad outlines of the product's tolerance profile and its pharmacological activity.for those who are not used to this technical language, this means the maximum allowable dose of poison and its side effects on a HEALTHY body, not a patient. Paid to serve as a guinea pig without the possibility of turning against the lab for poisoning and damaging side effects, whatever the duration, unless the lab is at fault.
https://www.caminteresse.fr/sante/quel- ... s-1164583/
and especially:
https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/intern ... nglet=full
Entitled “Human guinea pigs at a discount”, the recent study by the Swiss NGO the Berne Declaration (DB) is the result of field surveys carried out in Ukraine, Russia, Argentina and India, between June 2012 in July 2013. Four countries in which the Swiss giants Novartis and Roche carry out, at low cost, a significant proportion of tests on new drugs, taking advantage of the shortcomings of the state health systems, the failure of the surveillance mechanisms and corruption. etc ...
(...) According to data from parliamentary committee reports that leaked in the press, between 2005 and 2012, on some 40 participants in clinical trials, 2 deaths have been recorded. Including 438 patients for the period 2010 and 2011 alone, according to figures from a parliamentary committee. "In total, only 22 deaths were attributed to the drugs tested in 2010, and 16 in 2011. The families compensated obtained between 3 and 000 Swiss francs," writes the NGO.
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