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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Did67 » 02/08/20, 11:06

Paul72 wrote:I can no longer water in places, the earth does not "take" water, so it has dried in three days (dust). It's going to be hard to hold on this month, no rain in sight ...



We do not think about it - and I did not mention either (neither here, nor in my book), but this is another advantage of the drip: I just watered cabbages planted yesterday in concrete from Monsieur Concrete; 3 hours of drip: the "wet bulb" forms around the plant, despite the slope ... With any other form of watering having a greater flow, it "spun"! We are there, in very low pressure (gravity) at less than 2 l / h ... No one will have this patience with a watering can or a hose ...
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 02/08/20, 11:54

Paul72 wrote:
Did67 wrote:Drought + heat = flea beetles on crucifers !!! What are the meteorologists doing !!!! [orange alert, but 0,3 mm last night! When I piss, I water more!]


I can no longer water in places, the earth does not "take" water, so it has dried in three days (dust). It's going to be hard to hold on this month, no rain in sight ...


Here I was thinking yesterday by watering open pipes (and we have 6 bars): but never do I see the water running? ...
Well no on a few cm2 it pumped everything without any runoff.
The "fault" with herbs of all kinds: there is no need to say a cover is radical.

I will try to make it
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 02/08/20, 11:58

Did67 wrote:
Paul72 wrote:I can no longer water in places, the earth does not "take" water, so it has dried in three days (dust). It's going to be hard to hold on this month, no rain in sight ...



We do not think about it - and I did not mention either (neither here, nor in my book), but this is another advantage of the drip: I just watered cabbages planted yesterday in concrete from Monsieur Concrete; 3 hours of drip: the "wet bulb" forms around the plant, despite the slope ... With any other form of watering having a greater flow, it "spun"! We are there, in very low pressure (gravity) at less than 2 l / h ... No one will have this patience with a watering can or a hose ...


After the misting last year and at the start of this season I tested something else ... open hose and watering the soil rather than the plants ....
No more direct watering and at this moment everything is going well
I wonder what the consumption is because suddenly it only takes a few seconds while with the misting I had to leave the apple long enough fixed to the chests.
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Paul72 » 02/08/20, 12:19

The watering in rain had hydrated the earth well, but under the apricot tree, it pumped hard (this is where it is the most difficult to hydrate, elsewhere it is fine) I will have to think about keeping it or no, it influences the growth of plants over a radius of more than 3 m around the foot. Or even more with root mycorrhizae.

Here is a cabbage that becomes lace in no time (2 days)
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And the protected area (effective !! I will do it again next spring)
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Paul72 » 02/08/20, 12:24

Visit of the tomatoes, productive this year, and early for my sector (since June 15 outside !!!)
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Paul72 » 02/08/20, 12:29

Grafted and ungrafted eggplants:
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Peppers and peppers, superb this year !!
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Paul72 » 02/08/20, 12:34

A little melons this year, far from the quintal of two years ago (I had put about fifteen plants, too)
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A dozen small watermelons too.
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 02/08/20, 12:46

Tomatoes bush well ... which varieties?

In any case, cultivation on tarpaulin seems spectacular, doesn't it?
I think it will be hard for me to resign myself to it, but that's clear.

I'm not too unhappy with the few homemade eggplant stalks ...
Not sure that, for timing reasons, it will produce but compared to last year the development is better and I am starting to see good cultivation options.
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Paul72 » 02/08/20, 14:00

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Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:Tomatoes bush well ... which varieties?

In any case, cultivation on tarpaulin seems spectacular, doesn't it?
I think it will be hard for me to resign myself to it, but that's clear.

I'm not too unhappy with the few homemade eggplant stalks ...
Not sure that, for timing reasons, it will produce but compared to last year the development is better and I am starting to see good cultivation options.


The culture on tarpaulin is optimal for melons, watermelons, cucumbers, etc ... For peppers, it is better to cover the ground (hay for example), but the tarpaulin on top seems to provide just the necessary additional heat to approach of the optimum. As for eggplants, it is above all the soil that makes the difference: deep, very rich in humus and nutritious. Especially not compact!

Tomatoes come in a dozen varieties, adapted to various climatic conditions, of all sizes and more or less early, compact or productive, in order to increase the chances of success or limit the risks of failure. Some will do better in cool and humid weather (stupice, sweet 100, santiam, aurora, Oregon spring, maskotka for example), others in hot even dry weather (Andean, beef heart, pineapple, Lebanese rose , etc ...) and others whatever (de Berao, rose de berne, etc ...)

PS: all the nightshades produce even better with contributions of wood ash, especially peppers and peppers !!
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Re: Hay vegetable garden vs living canopy




by Did67 » 02/08/20, 16:31

Your "greens" are very dark! Urine doping ???

An anti-doping control is essential !!!!!!!!!! [humor]

Be careful not to create for yourself the same problems as those experienced by conventional agriculture with ammonitrates: too much sensitivity to diseases, delays in fruiting or ... nitrate leaching (well, those are not you who suffered). [serious]

But it is quite impressive!
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