State of mind for a viable future

[ABC2019]

For one it is "radical", for the other it is a "revolution", but all this to, all the same, safeguard the existing by many linguistic convolutions ...

you are still very linguistically correct, I guess you wanted to talk about circumlocutions ...

[Ahmed]

Circumvolution: "Winding, sinuosity around a central point" ... Etymologically: turning around ...
Note: do not confuse with circumlocution ...
Do you understand?

[ABC2019]

Circumvolution: "Winding, sinuosity around a central point" ... Etymologically: turning around ...
Note: do not confuse with circumlocution ...
Do you understand?

and circumlocution

Circumlocution is a rhetorical process by which a word is replaced by an expression designating it. It is used in the common language to express ideas. It is therefore closer to periphrasis, having a more literary meaning. Its origin is also the same, since circumlocutio is the Latin translation for the Greek περιφρασις (periphrasis).

More generally, the term "circumlocution" is used to denote a sentence intended to obscure the meaning of what is to be said in order to mask some embarrassment.

it works pretty well too, doesn't it?

[Ahmed]

Circumlocution is an indirect way of speaking, which is not the case with our two speakers in this video.

[Obamot]

[...]
Note: do not confuse with circumlocution ...
Do you understand?

and circumlocution

Circumlocution is a rhetorical process by which a word is replaced by an expression designating it. It is used in the common language to express ideas. It is therefore closer to periphrasis, having a more literary meaning. Its origin is also the same, since circumlocutio is the Latin translation for the Greek περιφρασις (periphrasis).

More generally, the term "circumlocution" is used to denote a sentence intended to obscure the meaning of what is to be said in order to mask some embarrassment.

it works pretty well too, doesn't it?

ABC2019: You whose hobbyhorse is psychiatry, and without wanting to be categorical, it's called “make a projection".

You have a lot of other skills don't you? As a physicist, I was more interested in knowing (for example) if molten sodium is the best thermal balloon track for the storage of heat from thermodynamic solar ...

[izentrop]

For one it is "radical", for the other it is a "revolution", but all this to, all the same, safeguard the existing by many linguistic convolutions ...

At least you don't drive home the point.

They are basically saying that the billions put on the table to jumpstart growth are going to take us into the wall even faster.
We no longer produce enough wealth in France, so we hit even more in the debt to try to restart the machine because we do not know how to do otherwise, but the creditors are not fooled, among other things ...

To fight against that would mean: to give up our comfort and that does not indeed seem possible.
When I see your reactions, those of the vast majority, we can see that there is no solution.

[Obamot]

Oh sorry ! Of course if there could be solutions, and the margin seems quite large!

This was revealed “in vivo” by the covid-19 crisis. The world only turned thanks to agriculture ... for several months ... this perfectly demonstrates this notion of “abstract values”Which rub shoulders with economic exchanges in almost all areas ... Civilization is massively built on something virtual, there are entire areas of human activity that we could do without ... The primary sector is maybe 5% of economic activity to break everything, the other sectors ... we should see what would be fundamental and that it would be well to keep, the rest ...?

The margin is therefore HUGE ... (Except to take action ... without a state of absolute necessity ...)

The real desire for change ...? To be honest, not much ...

But say “that there is no solution... ”No, no.

[Ahmed]

They are basically saying that the billions put on the table to jumpstart growth are going to take us into the wall even faster.

This is correct and we can only subscribe to this assessment, however both are fervent promoters of the ecological transition, the only possibility of bringing some substance to the economic transition: we must provide a somewhat tangible justification for massive infusions. of ex nihilo liquidity. Basically, it's about making people believe that we want to change everything to keep the essentials. As long as we remain fooled by an externalized mechanism (hypostasized) and that we will act as if it was only a question of making the right decisions, nothing will change positively, whatever the type of measures, good or bad. : fluctuations will only be observed at the margin.
Unfortunately, everything relies on this algorithm, the prerequisite of which would be to be free ... So, as it says Obamot, there would be room for maneuver ... Regarding comfort, I do not find it so great, except to limit the definition to the strict material level and again, on this point on the one hand it is not so generalized and on the other hand is paid very dear anyway ... A slow societal regression (although I do not situate the "best" in the past!) has led to the nuclear family (sic) before this one implodes in turn and that social relations are reduced like the skin of grief, dynamited by their commodification and the ontological impossibility of social atomism, this formidable oxymoron ...

PS: covid19 only made things worse and made social relations even more difficult.

[ABC2019]

To fight against that would mean: to give up our comfort and that does not indeed seem possible.
When I see your reactions, those of the vast majority, we can see that there is no solution.

there is never a solution to contradictory injunctions. We would all like to live more comfortably without consuming anything, but that is not possible.

[ABC2019]

The real desire for change ...? To be honest, not much ...

But say “that there is no solution... ”No, no.

it is obviously quite possible to return to an agricultural way of life, moreover many have never left it.

What is not possible is to maintain the modern way of life without consuming non-renewable resources (fossils and mining).

The problem is not what the solution is, the problem is what the question is.