Pension reform - you were born in 1960 (or after) you will work more

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by thibr » 21/12/19, 08:55

I do not see how the supposedly fairer reform will correct these shocking inequalities. On the contrary, it will theoretically strengthen them: a worker with a difficult job will suffer the physical and health constraints of this job longer or will leave with his retirement burdened. There is the solution to leave the profession in question but who will scour the sewers of Parisians, who will lead the trains in 3/8?

is that not precisely the purpose of taking hardship into account?
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by Janic » 21/12/19, 09:37

is that not precisely the purpose of taking hardship into account?
it all depends on the criteria that will be used. I have a loved one suffering from a spina bifida having caused a very significant decalcification which means that at 18 he was bent like an old man. His spine has been fully wrapped and he leads an almost normal life and now in his fifties, the effects are felt with pain. If it had not been stapled it would be 80/100% disabled, but stapled it is considered to be normal and not as disabled and yet it does a particularly strenuous job.
So who will decide on the arduousness criteria?
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by thibr » 21/12/19, 10:53

he must at least be considered a disabled worker, otherwise he should request it : Wink:
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by Janic » 21/12/19, 11:16

he must at least be considered a disabled worker, otherwise he should request it
this was done of course, but was not recognized as a handicap since he lives roughly normally equipped with Robocop! But the object is precisely who and according to what criteria, the arduousness will be recognized.
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by Christophe » 21/12/19, 12:44

to be chafoin wrote:Sewers have a much lower life expectancy than the average person. Because of toxic gases like hydrogen sulfide in particular. It is an Inserm survey having followed, it seems, all the sewers of Paris between 1970 and 1999, which reports this info.
https://presse.inserm.fr/duree-de-vie-d ... tiers/988/
https://www.allodocteurs.fr/actualite-s ... _7177.html

Otherwise, INSEE gives the differences in life expectancy according to socio-professional categories (a non-retired inactive person has more than 15 years of life expectancy than a manager, the difference between a worker and a manager: more than 6 years) or diplomas (a bachelor or higher level has more than 7 years of life expectancy than without a diploma!).
https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/2383438

I do not see how the supposedly fairer reform will correct these shocking inequalities. On the contrary, it will theoretically strengthen them: a worker with a difficult job will suffer the physical and health constraints of this job longer or will leave with his retirement burdened. There is the solution to leave the profession in question but who will scour the sewers of Parisians, who will lead the trains in 3/8?


That's good info ... thanks for the research!

And so the life of an SNCF or RATP agent (and their arduousness) can it justify these processing delays? That's the question...
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by GuyGadebois » 21/12/19, 12:56

The average age of death for surgeons is 72 years.
https://www.academie-chirurgie.fr/ememo ... 44x048.pdf
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by Christophe » 21/12/19, 13:40

I do not know if it is necessary to take this article in the 1st degree but if it is the case ... cow he hatches!

SNCF, a world apart

A journalist-investigator of "Que Choisir" has dissected the extraordinary advantages enjoyed by SNCF employees. An incredible observation! By Jean Nouailhac


After the story of the executive paid to do nothing 5 euros per month by the SNCF for twelve years, which made the news in August, here is the shock survey of the magazine Que Choisir published in its September issue . This magazine, well known for half a century, belongs to an independent association, the UFC, Federal Union of Consumers, whose creation dates back to 000 and whose studies and comparative tests are still authoritative.

One of their investigators, Erwan Seznec, has meticulously passed the infrared information available on SNCF remuneration and his first observation is brutal: "Year after year, and despite the staff cuts, the payroll there is growing significantly faster than the number of passengers transported. Thus in 2003, 178 rail workers "shared" 000 billion euros, or 7,7 euros per head. Ten years later, in 43, there were only 260, but "they received" 2013 billion euros, or 152 euros per person, or 000 euros per month over thirteen months.

4,25% net increases per year

Explanation: one of the committees of the Assizes of the railways in December 2011 noted that at the SNCF "salary increases have been established, on average over the last ten years, at an annual level of 2,5% in addition to inflation », Or 4,25% net per year, four times more than in the private sector during the same period! Erwan Seznec adds that, during these same ten years, the rate of management went from a manager for 6,8 agents, which is already abnormal for such a company, to a manager for 4,2 agents, these promotions having been "used as an [indirect] means of individual salary increase", according to an internal report of September 2014.

In this survey of Que Choisir, we find a special article on the numerous “statutory” bonuses and of an insane complexity which benefits the railwaymen under statute. We thus learn that "the 2014 grid includes nine levels for the monthly IT allowance, more than fifteen levels of travel allowances, thirty kinds of flat-rate monthly allowances for lack of accommodation", etc. Reading his survey, one has the impression that social, economic and financial life inside this monster that is the SNCF is a bottomless pit of regulations as picky as useless, of undue advantages and pass - unjustifiable rights, all under the general heading of "fundamental workers' rights", multiple rights, without limit and at an exorbitant cost borne by taxpayers and customers.

3 salaried doctors!

We also learn, among other mistakes and whims, that the SNCF employs the huge contingent of 3 doctors full or part time and that the central communication service alone employs 200 people, not counting the departments' com services regional. According to the Court of Auditors, the company spent more than a billion euros between 565 and 2007 to promote itself, while it does not evolve in a competitive world since it has a monopoly on rail !

In this house, each time you open a wardrobe, you discover abnormal situations: there are too many people, you work there less than elsewhere and much less time, you are better paid, pensions are better, really numerous bonuses, free train tickets for life for the whole family, the very rich and spendthrift works council and, of course, it is the taxpayer who pays the difference between normal receipts and excessive expenses: each year on average, the company receives more than 12 billion euros in public subsidies for a turnover of around 30 billion.

12 billion annual grants

SNCF thus costs each year the equivalent of more than 1 euros to all French taxpayers subject to income tax! Want more before the overdose? Here: this paradise of the proletarians, in addition to the 000 billion annual subsidies it collects, drags a global debt of 12 billion euros, or 44% of its turnover, and this debt automatically increases by a billion and a half per year: you have to pay the interest! If we know how to count, over the next ten years, at this rate, we would arrive at a total of: 150 grants + 12 for interest, or 1,5 billion per year, multiplied by ten years equal 13,5 billion + 135 billion debt, a gigantic global hole of 44 billion euros. Question: when do we start cleaning the dirty stables of these profiteers of the Republic?


Source: https://www.lepoint.fr/invites-du-point ... 4_2428.php
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by Grelinette » 21/12/19, 14:11

The special pension scheme for senators will not be affected by the pension reform.
The senators will adapt their retirement plan themselves, after the pension reform for the French is voted ... : Cheesy:
Ooops, I went a little fast: the President of the Senate declared "that once the pension reform has been voted, he would set up a working group to change their pension system." ... : roll:

https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/articl ... 23448.html
https://www.lci.fr/politique/a-quoi-res ... 40177.html

It's also a bit that tickles the susceptibility of the French ...
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by Christophe » 21/12/19, 14:32

Obviously the "high politicians" are the first selfish * in the country !! They are not going to legislate against their interests ... It is lamentable for two reasons because it is above all the representatives of the people who elected them!

Many confuse serving the people and using the people!

Suddenly it's more really democracy but ... it's been a while that we know that!

* there are exceptions, like François Ruffin, but he passes for a black sheep!
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by Grelinette » 21/12/19, 15:27

Speaking of François Ruffin, who heard this recording of François Ruffin circulating on the web where we hear him set up an "arranged" meeting with Macron? I'm sure it's a fake!

https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/ruffin- ... 13662.html

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