Of course, Sen-no-sen, you are right to point out that beyond the opinions displayed, there is the reality of what they cause and what game they play in society and its evolution. Not so long ago, there existed the concept of objective ally (or enemy) which partly took account of this distinction.
@ Christophe: I quibble maybe, but you, you relax! What do you want, I'm a language jerk, you'll have to do it! I hope not to be the only one not to have understood among this peremptory "everyone"?
Pollution is (always) the other!?! Is ecology misanthropic (see fascist)?
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"Please don't believe what I'm telling you."
Re: Pollution is (always) the other!?! Is ecology misanthropic (see fascist)?
Christophe wrote:Finally I noticed (there is already 20 years) and with surprise that some radical ecologists are, sorry to say, enough, to see very close, of the extreme right in their reasonings ... It may seem paradoxical a priori (political ecology has always been close to socialism) but the reasoning is held: love for the preservation of the environment is transformed into hatred of the other, necessarily, this vile polluter ...
Quite logical that love of nature turns into hatred of the base polluter.
It is now simply a question of survival when we speak of respect for the environment.
He who pollutes, attacks me literally, he wants to kill me. (Out of ignorance very often)
In the vile polluter, the lack of awareness of his actions is unacceptable for those who see and know it.
Besides, the vile polluter can be in good faith, esteem himself in his right, when he perpetuates habits of the past, perpetuates the growing ideologies of the last century.
He was stuffed with this ideology, he lived it, it is inconceivable in his mind that the parameters around him changed as a result of this growth.
Before, it worked well.
Here is a Man in denial of current reality, generally of a certain age, not very adaptable to the reality of change.
He generally deploys a whole intellectual arsenal to reinforce his denial and firmly believes in it.
Given the urgency, those who are aware of the issues find it difficult to be patient and educational, faced with a deaf man in denial…
Hatred is mutual, 2 visions of the world clash.
One is more realistic than the other, guess
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whatever.
We will try the 3 posts per day max
We will try the 3 posts per day max
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Re: Pollution is (always) the other!?! Is ecology misanthropic (see fascist)?
Ahmed wrote:Of course, Sen-no-sen, you are right to point out that beyond the opinions displayed, there is the reality of what they cause and what game they play in society and its evolution. Not so long ago, there existed the concept of objective ally (or enemy) which partly took account of this distinction.
And "today", Lafarge is merging with Daesh ...
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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We were talking about opinions, but Lafarge has none, only interests.
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Ahmed wrote:We were talking about opinions, but Lafarge has none, only interests.
The opinion, a big yes, of the board of directors was to apply this policy (voted, therefore), out of interest, indeed.
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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The phenomenon of cognitive-ecological dissonance is also related to the schizophrenia induced by the anthropotechnical system.
This double personality is the result of the dichotomy within the same being between the biological being and the consumer agent. We are constantly changing points of view worthy of Doctor Jekyll as well as Mr Hyde, tugged by the two sides of the techno-industrial model: on the one hand a world offering us more protection and on the other a system slowly destroying everything that lives.
The result is a psychic confrontation between an archaic region (striatal) focused on immediate satisfaction and prefrontal area oriented towards long-term planning.
This double personality is the result of the dichotomy within the same being between the biological being and the consumer agent. We are constantly changing points of view worthy of Doctor Jekyll as well as Mr Hyde, tugged by the two sides of the techno-industrial model: on the one hand a world offering us more protection and on the other a system slowly destroying everything that lives.
The result is a psychic confrontation between an archaic region (striatal) focused on immediate satisfaction and prefrontal area oriented towards long-term planning.
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sen-no-sen wrote:The phenomenon of cognitive-ecological dissonance is also related to the schizophrenia induced by the anthropotechnical system.
This double personality is the result of the dichotomy within the same being between the biological being and the consumer agent. We are constantly changing points of view worthy of Doctor Jekyll as well as Mr Hyde, tugged by the two sides of the techno-industrial model: on the one hand a world offering us more protection and on the other a system slowly destroying everything that lives.
The result is a psychic confrontation between an archaic region (striatal) focused on immediate satisfaction and prefrontal area oriented towards long-term planning.
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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sen-no-sen wrote:The phenomenon of cognitive-ecological dissonance is also related to the schizophrenia induced by the anthropotechnical system.
This double personality is the result of the dichotomy within the same being between the biological being and the consumer agent. We are constantly changing points of view worthy of Doctor Jekyll as well as Mr Hyde, tugged by the two sides of the techno-industrial model: on the one hand a world offering us more protection and on the other a system slowly destroying everything that lives.
The result is a psychic confrontation between an archaic region (striatal) focused on immediate satisfaction and prefrontal area oriented towards long-term planning.
Christophe must start biting his nails by saying to himself "pu..in, what an idea to have initiated this thread!"
In the other choices, there is "the balancing of three-phase networks", or "manure under or on the leaves", even for the more adventurous "the influence of magnets on the combustion of diesel". it's still (according to his knowledge) more affordable .....
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Basically it means that the guy who consumes is not sure if he should continue to shit fuel oil while being cuddly ass in his chair or to break his back to protect a piece of stone stuck between the sun and the planet named after a mouthwatering chocolate bar. Is that clearer?
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sen-no-sen wrote:Basically it means that the guy who consumes is not sure if he should continue to shit fuel oil while being cuddly ass in his chair or to break his back to protect a piece of stone stuck between the sun and the planet named after a mouthwatering chocolate bar. Is that clearer?
Ah well there you go, you see when you want. Okay, now we have to lay a more flattering "in-between".
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“It is better to mobilize your intelligence on bullshit than to mobilize your bullshit on intelligent things. (J.Rouxel)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
"By definition the cause is the product of the effect". (Tryphion)
"360 / 000 / 0,5 is 100 million and not 72 million" (AVC)
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