Pollution is (always) the other!?! Is ecology misanthropic (see fascist)?

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by Ahmed » 07/11/19, 17:34

Do you mean more allusion than metaphor? Even that seems very risky to me because the characteristic of a politician is to tell his audience what he wants to hear. The proof is that the declaration in question, made at the start of the campaign, will be followed by an opposing declaration made before a circle of bankers and "business" men ... : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 07/11/19, 17:51

the enemy is finance == the enemy is macron

It remains more a metaphor than an allusion ...

But there is certainly a more appropriate literary term for this kind of style figure ...
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by GuyGadebois » 07/11/19, 17:54

Christophe wrote:the enemy is finance == the enemy is macron

It remains more a metaphor than an allusion ...

But there is certainly a more appropriate literary term for this kind of style figure ...

An implication, a catachresis? : Mrgreen:
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by Ahmed » 07/11/19, 17:55

I doubt that at the time it was anything other than banal electioneering words of circumstances, you are making a fuss!
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by Christophe » 07/11/19, 18:00

Obviously, I was talking about form and style, not the substance of the message (assuming that there is a credible background in an election campaign?)!
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by Ahmed » 07/11/19, 18:11

You are decidedly very obscure tonight: a "Macronian metaphor" would be a metaphor formulated by Macron ... You probably meant: a metaphor about Macron? If we come back to the bottom of the subject, I feel that we are dispersing insidiously ... 8)
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by GuyGadebois » 07/11/19, 18:20

Ahmed wrote:Guy, you write:
Like JM Le Pen, with his fortune hidden in tax havens? The far right still has this posture (some have even called themselves "National Socialism") the better to deceive the opponents of capitalism while they use both its networks and its springs.

As soon as a movement is part of a governmental will, it is difficult for it to maintain its doctrinal "purity" * and it is the results that count. Without the support of the business community, there is no political power in sight. Anticapitalism is therefore limited to slogans which only deceive the naive (remember Holland declaring that "the enemy is finance"!). : Lol:

* In reality, in the case of the RN, it is rather a rather disparate corpus intended to federate a maximum of people, nothing more.

The RN (ex FN) has no will to (nor any capacity to) govern.
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by Ahmed » 07/11/19, 18:35

Sure, so replace that with political ambition: they have elected officials and substantial subsidies thanks to their shop.
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by sen-no-sen » 07/11/19, 18:46

Ahmed wrote:The most right-wing currents are clearly positioned against capitalism, industrialism and for the return to a "classic" mode of social relation. Afterwards, even if these similarities exist in the movement of radical ecology, we must go further into the purposes to understand their incompatibility (but the bridges exist and some have already taken them ...).
The RN is different in that it is a political party which, by the same token, is quite indifferent to ecological issues; it will probably evolve in this direction if the public opinion gives it importance: it is quite integrable with this type of speech which, no more than its competitors, does not care about logical coherence (which differs tactician coherence).


The classic representation of the political chessboard is misleading.
Indeed traditionally we consider that the left would be close to the proletariat and the right of the employers. We therefore defined terminologies supposed to define two antagonistic positions stretching between the extreme left and the extreme right.
However, the reality is much more complex, knowing that certain ideals of the extreme left suit marvelously big business (postmodern vision) and that the social project of RN de ML Pen somewhat recall the fire program G. Marche(PCF) ... this vision is therefore to be reviewed.

But reassure us! From the point of view of Exponential economism, all parties are on the positive side!
The far left because of its defense of libertarianism promotes the antagonisms that allow the far right to deploy are securitarianism. France being only a mixture of all its tendencies this gives us a model that we find in all liberal democracies:the liberal, libertarian, security system.
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by Christophe » 07/11/19, 18:52

Ahmed wrote:You are decidedly very obscure tonight: a "Macronian metaphor" would be a metaphor formulated by Macron ... You probably meant: a metaphor about Macron? If we come back to the bottom of the subject, I feel that we are dispersing insidiously ... 8)


That's it ... you quibble there ... little abuse of language but I think everyone understood!

Yes for dispersal : Cheesy:
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