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by Moindreffor » 06/03/19, 17:25

VetusLignum wrote:I find that there are still a number of things that remain taboo.

There are some permaculture gardeners who are known to have a job nearby, so for them it's clear.

But for others, we do not really know how they live, whether they live from the sale of vegetables, seeds, training, or RSA. We do not always know very well how they financed the purchase of their property.

Yet when people want to show the world the way to a new way of life, those things should be clarified.

That said, what I like about permaculturists is that they try to adopt a sustainable way of life, and closer to nature; and in this, and despite their silences or contradictions, they are very interesting.

we see in these videos only what we want to show, so it's a bit like reality TV, we believe in it or not, especially now that like reality TV candidates, some are employees and so with a work contract and the rights that come with it,
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by Did67 » 06/03/19, 19:58

VetusLignum wrote:I find that there are still a number of things that remain taboo.

There are some permaculture gardeners who are known to have a job nearby, so for them it's clear.

But for others, we do not really know how they live, whether they live from the sale of vegetables, seeds, training, or RSA. We do not always know very well how they financed the purchase of their property.

Yet when people want to show the world the way to a new way of life, those things should be clarified.

That said, what I like about permaculturists is that they try to adopt a sustainable way of life, and closer to nature; and in this, and despite their silences or contradictions, they are very interesting.


This debate is more complex:

a) permaculture is often reduced, and sold, in particular in the form of books, internships or "coaching" (which does not bear its name) as a market gardening technique; what it is not! There is no “technical corpus”. There is a philosophy of life, respect for nature, solidarity, etc., in which market gardening (and more generally the production of food) should be part of ...

b) as when it comes to concretely realizing too idealistic ideas (on paper) to be easily translated into reality, the contradictions appear ...

In itself, nothing new ... Communism drowned in Stalin. Christinism in the crusades, papacy, Borgia, pedophilia ...

Nothing new in the fact that it is hidden !!!

c) That "permaculturists" market gardeners live off their product: this would be desirable.

d) That the majority of autoconstructing permaculturists after having taken care of their dry toilets think to produce the great mass of their caloric needs (cereals, pulses, quinoa, etc ...), it would be essential ...

e) When training becomes paid internships at sometimes high prices (for some) while these same trainees are free manpower, there, we begin to curl the scam.

Based on a system inspired by the pyramid of Ponsi: the first, recognized as a "master" forms cohorts of 20, each cohort will have to find its cohort of slaves otherwise they will not be able to make their project a reality ... We know how it ends Ponsi's spyramides: a lot of kissing, for some rare initial profiteers!

f) The fact of using the "system" becomes even more doubtful (the RSA has been mentioned, but some are paid for universal health coverage, family allowances, training funds such as VIVEA), and there it becomes dishonesty. Pronounce a model aiming to abolish contributions but "draw" on the funds they generate ...

g) One could evoke certain books rather distressing in the contents, which are only a rehash of "vague" techniques to surf on a fashion ... Is it "permacole" (I speak of the philosophy) ??? Well, let's admit that they are often "journalists". But not only !!!

Etc. ..
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 26/08/19, 16:10

Regularly I make detours on the wonderful adventures promised in the wonderful world of autonomy .... or gardening on 40m2 that will feed a whole family all year ... and other billevesées ...

Among them
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl5Rl5 ... _polymer=1

And especially a film project




While rummaging a little against the curtain of "everyone is beautiful everyone is nice" is torn apart and reality burst into the land of fairies


Sylvie Barbe, the subject of the film explains it ... (although on the net it is not verifiable that it is the person of the film who wrote these lines)
http://yurtao.canalblog.com/archives/20 ... 78422.html


Update on the film "Wild Utopia"

After refusing all requests for television and media from 2013, I ended up accepting in 2015 that a young cameraman saying alternative and independent, Baptiste Henry, captures pictures at home, on my schoolboy. Presenting himself as friendly and selfless, this young man put me in trust with an assent to my speech to raise awareness about the protection of nature. Very reluctant towards a new film intrusion, ambivalent about the value of my testimony, aware of the risk incurred by certain negative effects of mediatization, I thought that a beginner would probably be more open to understanding my positions and hearing my objections, and that it was right to give a chance to a young director who defined himself outside the trading system. I yielded on the condition that he only films my hands, my silhouette, my works and my environment and respects my private life. I did not want my person to be put forward but rather the beauty of nature and wild craft. I thought that these images could poetically convey another vision of the world and the possibility of a real alternative. So we agreed to partner on an experimental and volunteer short film that would serve the ecological cause that is close to my heart, the protection of the forest. The project being unprofessional and non-commercial, so there was no contract, no definite framework, filming is committed as a collaborative adventure forged over the inspiration and my creations. There was no script, for the good reason that I was always in improvisation mode with the seasons and work in progress, which, it seems, gives the film its character of authenticity.

But quickly Baptiste wanted more and more, taking images everywhere and constantly and I had to retrench too often on the defensive to ward off his incursions. I went about my ordinary activities and he filmed, sometimes without my knowledge, without asking me my agreement. I had to call him to order several times. I suggested some meaningful scenes that I thought were appropriate, and I agreed to speak sometimes to the camera because it took me too much energy to always have to fit his film intrusions. I welcomed him openly, I introduced him to the wild life, he shared my rhythms, I sheltered him, fed him, and I even gave him the keys of my office. Until I see disturbing disappearances of precious documents, especially my favorite book "Habitats, traditional and parallel constructions" ...

After each filming period, I waited for the rushes so that we could discuss it and that I could sort out what seemed to me adequate, but unfortunately it was systematically evading, and today still refuses to transmit these images to me. He failed to make me participate in editing, while this stage was for me crucial, for my safety on the one hand, for the ethics and aesthetics of the film on the other hand, and especially because it is It is about my private life and my author's production, and that I think that the images of my schoolboy, my habitat and my activities belong to me just as much as to the one who captured them. Today, I am able to better understand why I did not manage to oppose in time and frontally what was beyond the original project. There was proximity, my hospitality, extra work and pressure, and a decrease in my system of vigilance and therefore protection, especially immune.

Indeed, during all this shooting, I was in a weak position for at least two reasons: being electro-hypersensitive, (EHS: environmental illness), disability recognized in Europe at 80% of social incapacity, I was very diminished by the pressure of the camera, the microphone and other waves EM: often disoriented, I became irritable and deconcentrated. Besides, my irritation is apparent in my voice and certain attitudes visible on the film. But I was also in a particularly delicate period because undergoing for several months a serious daily harassment which has been the object of several complaints in justice (recurring abuses against my person and my goods). Used by these repeated attacks, I asked Baptiste not to film images that could aggravate the situation and put me in more danger. He did not listen to my requests and I came to understand that he was doing the film alone, contrary to everything that was the condition of my acceptance and openness. Finally, when he had accumulated a lot of images, he decided to make a feature film putting me in front of the fait accompli. I understood then that I had been fooled.

Finally, in September 2018, Baptiste wanted me to sign a total assignment of my rights to his sole profit. Feeling betrayed and stolen in my privacy, I refused to sign a contract stripping me and which, moreover, is a forgery, since it states that I grant permission for the taking of images and their dissemination, no not before the shoot, but after. He refuses my quality of co-author, refuses to send me the rushes and the final version of the film, refuses the economic part dedicated to the ecological cause, and seeks to broadcast and exploit the film without my authorization. After a mediation that did not succeed, he persists in wanting to use these images without my consent. He pretends that the mere fact that I accepted the presence of his camera is enough to give him the right to exploit all the images he holds. The top, he sends me a balance sheet where he budgeted for his benefit, its technical equipment including camera, hourly wages, travel and living expenses and even bank charges! However, he took advantage of my notoriety, based on my book "Living in yurt", to collect by crowdfounding citizen participation a plump sum (12000 euros) which he refuses to share my accounting while he has forced to offer counterparties. (For comparison, an equivalent project is much more reasonable, a young team is able to produce a film with a lot less money: https://www.helloasso.com/associations/hemera production / collection / fighter-of-hope-the-film)

Even today, he reoffends by submitting to blackmail: I have to sign a new contract to transfer my rights to the image and copyrights if I want to have the images.

It is clear now that I am wrong and that I am faced with a personal case of breach of trust. I am especially ashamed of all the people who financially and morally supported this project, whose credulity was manipulated just as much as mine.

I now publicly announce that in these circumstances, I oppose the exploitation and dissemination of the film "Wild Utopia" of which I am co-author and sole protagonist, because I have lost hope of hearing reason to my partner which I consider absolutely unacceptable methods. Consent obtained by pressure and lying are rotten methods. He has neither my image rights nor my copyrights. My desire to attribute my share of the author to associations with goals in relation to the content of the film has, in fact, never been taken into consideration.

This story does not reconcile me with the media. I see how the predator system infiltrates with the best of intentions and how ecology can be instrumentalised by people who need personal recognition and build their career.

I am not opposed in principle to a cinematographic testimony, because I have seen how some of the reports that have been broadcast on my story have helped to change the lives of many people, who also expressed me and continue to express their gratitude, especially for a courage they overestimate.

But it is necessary that those who have the power of images have a minimum of ethics and that their work is conducted with respect. It is especially necessary that the witnesses, sometimes themselves whistleblowers, and the protagonists of documentaries are not endangered, so that they do not get free of all the trouble while those who make fun of their technicality withdraw all the benefits.

It is always this colonizing attitude that is at stake, of the man over the woman, the rich over the poor, the civilized over the savage. I do not have the presumption to compare myself to the last natives of the planet who suffocate in the last bits of jungle, massacred by our diseases and degenerate cultures, but there is still a certain kinship between them and me, perched on my rocky peak lamenting on the hecatombe avian, the fauna and flora dying in the open sky while humans do not care. This is the fundamental stress factor in what has led to my fragility: it concerns all people who like me live close to nature, and are physically confronted with the ongoing slaughter, because how to manage in itself the powerlessness and desolation when every year, half as many birds sing around my yurt and my wild companions, foxes, genets, badgers, no longer come back?

It is this homage to nature and a great cry of alert that I would have wanted to pass in this film, but it would have been necessary that the whole process of creation of this work is clean to be morally credible.

Nature and culture undergo a process of siphoning by the actors of the consumer society, orchestrated by the media who no longer know how to increase the competition of images and ideas, to the detriment of reality, and have lost all sense of values.

This is how utopia collapses in the mud.

Sylvie Barbe. 19 November 2018.
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by GuyGadebois » 27/08/19, 15:58

Moindreffor wrote:
nico239 wrote:yes we never consider the animal intelligence, I was watching a report on the wolves, which in France massacre I do not know how many more sheep than elsewhere, simply because all the solutions considered are followed by 'no physical action on the animal that ends up very quickly understand that the protection system is contournable without any danger and they just need time to find the parade, all because we defend the wolf
I do not mean to kill them obviously but to make the animal understand that it costs him something if he approaches the sheep too much, but that our ecolo bobo do not understand it, we talk about the animal condition in the slaughterhouses, but we do not care when we talk about slaughtered sheep, by a wolf, necessarily there is a natural massacre : Twisted:

So, already, there are many more sheep slaughtered by dogs * than by wolves and it is naughty to see that everywhere else in Europe where the herds are kept by the man, the wolves do not pose (or little) problems. Our breeders do not want to adapt to the presence of this animal but prefer to eliminate the problem. Typically French.

* Http: //www.franceloups.fr/avis-specialistes-loups.htm
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by Ahmed » 27/08/19, 16:16

The root of the problem in France is essentially of an economic nature: since the inglorious episode of the sabotage of the "rainbow warrior", New Zealand sheep are imported without customs duties and compete with French breeders who cannot compete in terms of quality. costs. Wolves are only "scapegoats" (sic!) Of these difficulties, because the breeders being powerless in matters of customs policy only have the psychic opportunity to turn against a nearby and defenseless victim *.
Today, it follows a bastard management of the situation that grants the destruction of licenses based on compromise between opponents who defend irreconcilable positions. The practical result is often a disorganization of packs that is counterproductive since it aggravates predation towards herds.

* In the sense that it would be very easy to physically eliminate all wolves, as has been done in the past.
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by GuyGadebois » 27/08/19, 16:25

Ahmed wrote:The root of the problem in France is essentially of an economic nature: since the inglorious episode of the sabotage of the "rainbow warrior", New Zealand sheep are imported without customs duties and compete with French breeders who cannot compete in terms of quality. costs. Wolves are only "scapegoats" (sic!) Of these difficulties, because the breeders being powerless in matters of customs policy only have the psychic opportunity to turn against a nearby and defenseless victim *.
Today, it follows a bastard management of the situation that grants the destruction of licenses based on compromise between opponents who defend irreconcilable positions. The practical result is often a disorganization of packs that is counterproductive since it aggravates predation towards herds.

* In the sense that it would be very easy to physically eliminate all wolves, as has been done in the past.

One has only to note the overexcitement of the meat-eaters of St Martin Vésubie (village in the Alpes Maritimes located at the foot of the Mercantour) at the idea of ​​"making" wolves to understand one aspect of the problem!
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by Moindreffor » 27/08/19, 16:37

GuyGadebois wrote:
Moindreffor wrote:
nico239 wrote:yes we never consider the animal intelligence, I was watching a report on the wolves, which in France massacre I do not know how many more sheep than elsewhere, simply because all the solutions considered are followed by 'no physical action on the animal that ends up very quickly understand that the protection system is contournable without any danger and they just need time to find the parade, all because we defend the wolf
I do not mean to kill them obviously but to make the animal understand that it costs him something if he approaches the sheep too much, but that our ecolo bobo do not understand it, we talk about the animal condition in the slaughterhouses, but we do not care when we talk about slaughtered sheep, by a wolf, necessarily there is a natural massacre : Twisted:

So, already, there are many more sheep slaughtered by dogs * than by wolves and it is naughty to see that everywhere else in Europe where the herds are kept by the man, the wolves do not pose (or little) problems. Our breeders do not want to adapt to the presence of this animal but prefer to eliminate the problem. Typically French.

* Http: //www.franceloups.fr/avis-specialistes-loups.htm

I never said the opposite, but the breeders can not put in place prohibited procedures, they must respect the law, miss more than they hurt a wolf with a forbidden device oh there! !!!!!!
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by Moindreffor » 27/08/19, 16:42

Ahmed wrote:The root of the problem in France is essentially of an economic nature: since the inglorious episode of the sabotage of the "rainbow warrior", New Zealand sheep are imported without customs duties and compete with French breeders who cannot compete in terms of quality. costs. Wolves are only "scapegoats" (sic!) Of these difficulties, because the breeders being powerless in matters of customs policy only have the psychic opportunity to turn against a nearby and defenseless victim *.
Today, it follows a bastard management of the situation that grants the destruction of licenses based on compromise between opponents who defend irreconcilable positions. The practical result is often a disorganization of packs that is counterproductive since it aggravates predation towards herds.

* In the sense that it would be very easy to physically eliminate all wolves, as has been done in the past.

to this must be added that New Zealand sheep are raised to 100% grass and that ours have a share of cereals and others in their diet which also increases costs, hence a little more complexity

wait for the first proven attack of the wolf on the Man to see the explosion of this gas plant
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by Moindreffor » 27/08/19, 16:44

GuyGadebois wrote:
Ahmed wrote:The root of the problem in France is essentially of an economic nature: since the inglorious episode of the sabotage of the "rainbow warrior", New Zealand sheep are imported without customs duties and compete with French breeders who cannot compete in terms of quality. costs. Wolves are only "scapegoats" (sic!) Of these difficulties, because the breeders being powerless in matters of customs policy only have the psychic opportunity to turn against a nearby and defenseless victim *.
Today, it follows a bastard management of the situation that grants the destruction of licenses based on compromise between opponents who defend irreconcilable positions. The practical result is often a disorganization of packs that is counterproductive since it aggravates predation towards herds.

* In the sense that it would be very easy to physically eliminate all wolves, as has been done in the past.

One has only to note the overexcitement of the meat-eaters of St Martin Vésubie (village in the Alpes Maritimes located at the foot of the Mercantour) at the idea of ​​"making" wolves to understand one aspect of the problem!

the affirmation of his virility and the superiority of man over nature slumbers in many human beings ..., like bullshit or intelligence, each his own lot : Mrgreen:
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by Did67 » 27/08/19, 16:49

I was surprised to read in the local newspaper that damage from a wolf was observed in Alsace, about twenty km from my home. I didn't know he had already "come back" so far!

I believe in fact that the question of the wolf is a complex cocktail combining a form of breeding in economic difficulty but "ecologically" nice (transhumance, mountain pastures, maintenance of spaces, "nice" image of the shepherd - I don't not talking about the sausage) ... then you come across with the doubtless archaic fear of the wolf (maintained among other things by tales) ... a hint of economic crisis in breeding (beyond even the wolf) then two fingers of ecology and nature protection (hunter / ecological conflict that we find with other species - palombe or whatever) ...

You mix ...

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