To death the electric car ... and fast !!

[Leo Maximus]

Last week I tried a small Lexus ct200 hybrid, very very pleasant driving, what is less is the price but good ...

Ah…. ! I was forgetting an important point. A Lexus CT200h will run very well with a 50/50 mix of E85 superethanol and unleaded SP95-E10 or SP98. There is no notable overconsumption. We stay at 5 l / 100 km on average. In general, all Japanese "Made in Japan" run on superethanol without the slightest modification because they are intended to be sold in countries like Brazil.

On the side of St-Nazaire, there is E85 at 0,45 € per liter so 3 times cheaper than the GO. (https://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/rec ... ection=asc ).

For a full 50/50 superethanol + SP of a Lexus CT200h it's 38 €. Range of 600 to 800 km depending on driving. Refueling with superethanol is € 18.

Personally, I save € 1500 per year in fuel since I switched to the hybrid not rechargeable.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

It's great but the calculation must be done differently ...

Namely compare the price of a second-hand Lexus compared to € 0 + the SURPLUS in € of what I will consume compared to a Lexus during a period X before being a winner ...

This is where we really see if it's interesting or not.

Otherwise you compare a Lexus won in the lottery with the vehicle currently in your garage: and it is not realistic


Edit I just saw your edition on the calculation ... there it is better
Just miss the price of your Lexus to see how many years you become a winner

How do you calculate your gain?

[Leo Maximus]

... Otherwise you compare a Lexus won in the lottery with the vehicle currently in your garage: and it is not realistic

Anything big ... It's almost stupid ...

I changed cars in 2016 and I divided my consumption by 2. I save € 1500 in fuel per year, however I drive the E10.

My hybrid car (new) cost me the same price as a diesel from Renault or PSA, even a little cheaper.

A few years ago, with the increase in fuel prices, I decided to change my car, not for a Diesel like everyone else, but for a Toyota hybrid, the only ones that are valid (personal opinion). But in front of the hyper-excessive prices of the occasions I bought new. Given the turn of events, I don't think I'm losing.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

... Otherwise you compare a Lexus won in the lottery with the vehicle currently in your garage: and it is not realistic

Anything big ... It's almost stupid ...

Ah well my faith must tell me how you do then because me the 40000 € for a Lexus I do not have ....

I don't know how you calculate but I calculate in cash.

It seems to me that under these conditions I must compare the current cost of my car in terms of purchase and annual fuel expenditure, ie 0 + € 10000 (I say anything

With the overall cost of purchasing Lexus 40000 + € 1000 of annual fuel (I say anything) + the interests of the credit

That gives me the number of years of my break-even point

How do you do to compare?

[Leo Maximus]

The future is uncertain, especially in the automobile today, so calculate a break-even point ...

I drive hybrid gasoline but it is not in Lexus at 40000 € and I wrote that on occasion it was still very expensive.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

I changed cars in 2016 and I divided my consumption by 2. I save € 1500 in fuel per year, however I drive the E10.

But in front of the hyper-excessive prices of the occasions I bought new. Given the turn of events, I don't think I'm losing.

If that's not profitability calculation

If you were a loser you would not have bought it
You bought it because you think you are a winner: it is therefore (consciously or not) a profitability calculation

You're not crazy and you're right: a cabbage is a cabbage

[perplex]

Thank you Maximus for all this info, on the hybrid, I see you're a fan ... and me too, waiting for something else, I signed
a ++

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Small calculation with break-even point

Current Situation
purchase 0 € (Mr X owns his vehicle without credit)
annual km 25 km
car consumption 9l / 100 or 2250l / year
Fuel cost 1.60 € / l
Or an annual cost of € 3600 / 12 = 300


Purchase Yaris hybrid € 11750 [edit have I think I got it right and the right price is € 16]
My current situation
purchase 0 €
annual km 25 km
car consumption 9l / 100 or 2250l / year
Fuel cost 1.60 € / l
Either an annual cost of 3600 € / 12 = 300 € monthly


Purchase Yaris hybrid [edit] € 16 if all goes well
* € 3 Toyota Hybrid Bonus consisting of € 000 discount for
the acquisition of a new Toyota Yaris hybrid and € 500 of aid for the simultaneous takeover
of a vehicle over 8 years old (according to reference to the tariff in force).
questions what is the current rate ???
annual km 25 km
car consumption 3l / 100 or 750l / year
Fuel cost 1.50 € / l (I put the gasoline 10c cheaper than the diesel) but I get it wrong maybe because it can run on cheaper fuels is that it?
Or an annual cost of € 1125 / year / 12 = € 93 monthly

Differential monthly cost 300 € - 93 € = 207 €

Purchase cost Yaris hybrid [edit] 16 / 650 = 207 months to wait before being a winner is almost 80 years .... it's a bit long

In my case I have 4 vehicles, some much less greedy than the 9 liters per 100 HOWEVER it can be reflected ....

A return on investment over 3 years would be the target to be reached

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

A few years ago, with the increase in fuel prices, I decided to change my car, not for a Diesel like everyone else, but for a Toyota hybrid, the only ones that are valid (personal opinion). But in front of the hyper-excessive prices of the occasions I bought new. Given the turn of events, I don't think I'm losing.

Now tell me all the good you think of the hybrid I'm interested

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Precision

Purchase cost Yaris hybrid 16 650/207 = 80 months to wait before being a winner, i.e. almost 7 years .... it's a bit long

And excluding promo either after 31/12/2018 we go back to € 19650 / € 270 = 94 months to wait before starting to be a winner or almost 8 years in the chosen simulation of a vehicle owned without current credit and consuming 9l / 100