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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by pedrodelavega » 01/06/18, 16:19

Janic wrote: You will have good to repeat your pseudoscientific mantra while millions of people are treated like this all over the world. "The dogs bark, but the caravan passes"
Millions of people believe in God, is that proof?

Janic wrote:So this is a speech " fool who never changes his mind ". Alternative medicines do not all consist of giving medicines and as for placebo effectiveness, THE SUBJECT HAS BEEN SEEN AND REVIEWED and this concerns TOUS care systems.
The effect measured in homeopathy is only that of the placebo effect: This means that its own effect is zero.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by Janic » 01/06/18, 17:39

janic wrote: You will have good to repeat your pseudoscientific mantra while millions of people are being treated like this around the world. "The dogs are barking, but the caravan passes"

Millions of people believe in God, is that proof?

You see that you can ask… interesting questions !?
Most people believe in a lot of things, including atheists, in their daily lives. You think your wife is not making you cuckold, that your kid is not a dealer, that he did not cheat in his exams because you trust them ... a priori, without proof. Others believe in science, theirs (not IN SCIENCE) failing to believe in something else. Actually believing does not require proof!
Then if you are told that you are a cuckold, that your kid is a drug dealer or drug, that he cheated on exams, you will seek to find out whether it is correct or not on the testimony (not necessarily evidence) that he is fine or not.
Then come the proofs and there it is essential. Unless you come across the woman kissing, you can doubt because even photomontages can be false (and long live the computer), if you do not see your kid directly as a dealer, the testimony of the cops will not be enough for you since this is not sufficient proof, and as for exams if he gets an 18 (a stroke of luck to fall right on his favorite subject) where he did not exceed 10 on average, doubt is in order. You see, it's not that simple.
Where are you located? In 1; 2 or 3?
So except to try yourself this homeopathy with a real homeopath, you can always repeat your mantra below. Because it is personal experience, and it alone, which proves or not that it works as for any drug for that matter And if you do not believe it because you are hyper rational, it is still better, you will not be able to accuse yourself, of weakness of spirit.
The effect measured in homeopathy is only that of the placebo effect: This means that its own effect is zero.
What sucks is this statement.
Who says it's only the placebo effect? Incompetent in the matter and it has already been seen and reviewed! I repeat myself therefore, a pork butcher, does not have the skills of a surgeon even if they cut the bidoche both and therefore to each his job and his skills and therefore that A take care of their system and the H of theirs ... and the cows will be well kept. : Cheesy:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by Gébé » 01/06/18, 19:18

Janic wrote: it is personal experience, and it alone, which proves or not that it works as with any drug for that matter

Here we reach heights : Shock: : Shock: : Cry: : Cry:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by Janic » 01/06/18, 20:22

Here we reach heights
you imply therefore that phase IV of the laboratories is useless and therefore that it does not matter if there are its mild side effects as serious :?: and you would happily do without it! : Cry: : Cry: : Cry: : Cry: : Cry: : Evil:
Rather, explain to readers what you know, or rather clearly ignore about H.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by izentrop » 01/06/18, 23:57

To get you on the track : Wink:
Analysis errors!

We all know smokers who do not die from lung cancer, this is not proof of the safety of tobacco.
When a treatment coincides with a cure, we tend to consider it to be really effective, and to advise it. http://web.fdn.fr/~amagnouat/metge/spip ... le233#expa
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by izentrop » 02/06/18, 01:15

But OK ! it's a waste of time as usual, because your conspired mind cannot understand this type of reasoning.
You will certainly still get away with a pirouette and fill another page of your litany.

I hope I am wrong, despite everything : Wink:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by Janic » 02/06/18, 09:26

To get you on the track
Analysis errors!
We all know smokers who do not die from lung cancer, this is not proof of the safety of tobacco.
When a treatment coincides with a cure, we tend to consider it to be really effective, and to advise it.
http://web.fdn.fr/~amagnouat/metge/spip ... le233#expa
It may surprise you, but I find this article rather well done, even very well done ... apart from a few key points which make that if we replace the word allopathy with the word homeopathy, in this speech, there remains completely coherent in the logic used and it is the A who becomes the villain of the story.
So if someone is interested we can dissect this speech by the menu by highlighting its strengths and weaknesses.
Example:
Read [this excellent article by Minerva [4] on this subject-> http://www.minerva-ebm.be/FR/Article/434]
Why do we so often feel that a specific drug treatment has significant clinical efficacy while randomized and double-blind studies do not show efficacy or poor efficacy?

This point has already been seen and reviewed, until complete wear and this has demonstrated that it did not work for homeopathy which is not established on the criteria of allopathy, no more than the criteria of a mechanic are the same as those of an electrician… and you must know something!
For the doubted experience, of course! what would be the point of pharmacovigilance feedback if these experiences were worthless? Because if the patient does not have side effects, if not serious, at least annoying as for levothyrox currently, the medoc will be Assumed have been effective when it may be due only to its placebo effect. The patient wants to be cured or improved and therefore he believes in it and it gets better!
So if an electrician wants to make an efficiency comparison between an electrical installation to supply current and a mechanical installation with its chains, pulleys and sprockets' (and even if the two can be complementary) none of the criteria of one is applicable to the other.
When you understand this, if it is possible for you, you will have already taken a big step towards a better understanding between two systems to which the criteria of one are not applicable to the other.
But OK ! it's a waste of time as usual, because your conspired mind cannot understand this type of reasoning.
still your pseudo-pseudoscience scratched disc, it is the TJ method which, when they are blocked, return to square one and off we go for a ride!
You will certainly still get away with a pirouette and fill another page of your litany.
It is not likely to happen to you, you seem incapable of a structured personal analysis which is not copy pasted to which you do not always seem to understand the meaning. Like the above! : Evil:
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by pedrodelavega » 02/06/18, 15:12

Janic wrote:So if an electrician wants to make an efficiency comparison between an electrical installation to supply current and a mechanical installation with its chains, pulleys and sprockets' (and even if the two can be complementary) none of the criteria of one is applicable to the other.
It doesn't mean anything: We can very well compare and verify the efficiency of a car and an electric car with the same criteria (speed, performance, pollution, range, noise, etc.). Or compare the efficiency, the power of a thermal and electric motor.

But hey, it's classic speech: "When the measured temperature is not good, it is necessarily the fault of the thermometer, etc etc etc ... and this big global big-pharma plot etc etc etc etc .... "
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by Janic » 02/06/18, 16:12

janic wrote: So if an electrician wants to make an efficiency comparison between an electrical installation to supply current and a mechanical installation with its chains, pulleys and sprockets' (and even if the two can be complementary) none of the criteria of one is applicable to the other.
It doesn't mean anything: We can very well compare and verify the efficiency of a car and an electric car with the same criteria (speed, performance, pollution, range, noise, etc.). Or compare the efficiency, the power of a thermal and electric motor.
I suspected as I wrote this above, that while holding out the pole there would be someone to grab it and it did not fail!
Now READ CAREFULLY what is underlined, you should have seen it: no?
So I did not compare the efficiency as to the result that can be obtained by each technique, but only the criterion that an electrician whose skills are in this matter and a mechanic who has skills in another field and where none of the criteria is applicable to the other. Clearly an allopath is… an allopath! and a homeopath is… a homeopath! How weird or rather basic, it's called a text analysis!
And as you (or your alter ego) will inevitably say that an electrician can have knowledge of mechanics and actually make a product combining the two skills.
Well yes! This is what is actually the case for H doctors who first studied allopathy, plus additional studies in homeopathy and can reconcile the two disciplines. But this is not the case for graduates only from allopathy , but who want to pretend they know what they haven't studied. So they don't know anything about it, they are incompetent! You finally perceive the nuance! (Finally, I hope!)
But hey, it's classic speech: "When the measured temperature is not good, it is necessarily the fault of the thermometer, etc etc etc ... and this big global big-pharma plot etc etc etc etc .... "
What is classic is that the more someone ignores a subject, the more they want to pretend that they know it. " Vanity of vanities "But your sentence can also be formulated thus with a small modification" When the temperature cannot be measured for lack of a thermometer, it is necessarily the fault of the temperature »And other similar construction which does not mean anything intelligent.
Finally for the big global plot of big pharma, it is the same barrel as talking about a plot by oil tankers, a nuclear plot or any other supposed plot. It is not a question of conspiracy, but of business, big money, dollars, euros, money, blur, spikes, pèze, etc ... blackmail at work, Ahmed speaks better than me. And so when a company must defend its bottom of trade, it acts according to its immediate interests (more than 1.000 billion), more than those of its customers. If tomorrow H could collect as much money as A, all industries would get involved and forget, as if by chance, their diatribes on H because of this new Eldorado that would appear.
This is likely to happen in the long term, given the (relative) speed at which it is currently spreading and there is money to be made, which India has understood. It should remind some of this "prophecy" of Alain Peyrefitte "when China wakes up ... the world will tremble"and she awoke awake and the world shook and we bite our fingers for not anticipating it.
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Re: The dangers of allopathy vs safety of alternative medicines




by Gébé » 02/06/18, 17:50

Janic wrote:If tomorrow H could collect as much money as A, all industries would get involved and forget, as if by chance, their diatribes on H because of this new Eldorado that would appear.
This is likely to happen in the long term, given the (relative) speed at which it is currently spreading and there is money to be made, which India has understood. It should remind some of this "prophecy" of Alain Peyrefitte "when China wakes up ... the world will tremble"and she awoke awake and the world shook and we bite our fingers for not anticipating it.



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But he makes a lot of money with homeopathy, on the backs of gogos who believe in it and also (for the moment) of contributors who do not give in to the fashion of the irrational. With ratios and progressions that have nothing to envy to the best champions of "Big pharma"
It remains overall still quite French-French, it seems unlikely to me that Asia, which for lack of means was content until there are few "alternative" medicines, launches headlong into the use of placebos.
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