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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by ABC2019 » 20/02/20, 11:08

Janic wrote:by ABC2019 "19/02/20, 17:31
The question I ask you is when there is no immediate effect: for example for glyphosate I suppose that you have never seen anyone go round up and paf an hour after catching lymphoma !! So in these cases, what method do you suggest to know if glyphosate has an effect or not?

I shouldn't ask the question about glyphosate, nor about the navy or aviation, it's not my job. So it's up to the specialists self-employed to give their opinion.
Always the same thing one cannot compare aviation and marine, no more than high jump and swimming! but you refuse to admit it!

I do not refuse to admit it a priori, I am just extremely surprised to read it, because I never saw written anywhere that the statistical methods depended on what one measured! as you know statistics and probability are an entire branch of mathematics, and there is never any question that their validity depends on what you measure. It is as if you claimed that the methods of calculating volume depended on the material used! me when i calculate the volume of a room, i don't care what color the walls are.

As you have not given me any indication that you are really well versed in scientific methods and statistics, I fear that the interpretation to be given to your assertions is rather that you are totally ignorant in these matters and that you express yourself on things you absolutely don't know.
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by ABC2019 » 20/02/20, 11:13

Janic wrote:We consumers are reduced to being attentive to what is happening, first with the first users and first victims, long before TA science mixes its grain of salt. Science often claimed to be only at the service of industrialists because their business depends on it. So with the hindsight that we have on TOUS the chemicals that humans invented, all have been shown to be harmful in the short, medium or long term and glyphosate is only one among all the others.


so basically you are saying that you have no idea what methods are valid for establishing the dangerousness of a product, but that you believe in those who say that it is dangerous, while others say that it is not. And you know who is right and who is wrong, but without having any idea which method is correct to establish it?

well then .... : Shock:
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by Janic » 20/02/20, 13:15

ABC2019 »20/02/20, 12:08
The question I ask you is when there is no immediate effect: for example for glyphosate I suppose that you have never seen anyone go round up and paf an hour after catching lymphoma !! So in these cases, what method do you suggest to know if glyphosate has an effect or not?
I shouldn't ask the question about glyphosate, nor about the navy or aviation, it's not my job. So it's up to independent specialists to give their opinion. [/ Quote]
Always the same thing one cannot compare aviation and marine, no more than high jump and swimming! but you refuse to admit it!
On the contrary, read what I write instead of convincing you to the contrary. We can no more compare these two branches of medicine to different criteria than marine / aviation or jumping / swimming.
I do not refuse to admit it a priori, I am just extremely surprised to read it, because I never saw written anywhere that the statistical methods depended on what one measured!
re fantasy, this is you who still wants to attribute to me what is only in your head.
Reread what I wrote BEFORE.
as you know statistics and probability are an entire branch of mathematics,
ah bah, that then we would not suspect it! Science is beautiful!
and there is never any question that their validity depends on what you measure. It is as if you claimed that the methods of calculating volume depended on the material used! me when i calculate the volume of a room, i don't care what color the walls are.
And yet this is what I wrote. We cannot measure H by the yardstick of A. But we can compare the results later, from which we can establish undistorted statistics. But later, once the damage has been observed in the victims.. What these future victims want is not to risk being there and therefore the first are enough to request that the precautionary principles be respected without waiting for there to be thousands of victims with whom statisticians can then do toy!
As you have not given me any indication that you are really well versed in scientific methods and statistics, I fear that the interpretation to be given to your assertions is rather that you are completely ignorant in these matters and that you express yourself on things you absolutely don't know.
Ah, the big pseudo psy string!
I don't have to give you anything!
As for ignorance, you are well placed on this subject since you obstinately refuse to seek information from organizations competent in H. So: you express yourself on things that you absolutely don't know. And that you stubbornly refuse to know. So the lesson givers… two balls!

ABC2019 »20/02/20, 12:13
so basically you are saying that you have no idea which methods are valid for establishing the dangerousness of a product, but that you believe in those who say that it is dangerous,
or you who crunchy who say it is not, despite the victims! When Bayer / Monsanto compensates (sometimes by legal obligation) it is not to please the recognized victims, but to silence them and in this dizzying silence, it appears white as snow. The French omerta is not valid in all the countries where Monsanto has established itself. Re-view the world according to Monsanto '
So these are not hallway noises, but real victims. Real people made of flesh and blood, not on graph paper.
while others say it is not.
Who by chance are the manufacturers themselves and the ones they pay for it;
And you know who is right and who is wrong, but without having any idea which method is correct to establish it?
[/ quote] I believe like others (legally) that the precautionary principle outweighs the proven risks - that not all synthetic products are beneficial to the living. After you think what you want, we are in a democracy (for now) but we don't live with methods, but with vital realities. The rest is wind and you like to blow it since the beginning of your interventions.
and therefore back on the H!
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by ABC2019 » 20/02/20, 13:46

Janic wrote:And yet this is what I wrote. We cannot measure H by the yardstick of A.

but you remain obsessively stuck on the H. and the A. , when my question was not about that at all. It was about the general way of highlighting effects that were not immediately visible, I spoke for example of glyphosate, but you can take lots of different examples, including still unknown. For example if you are wondering what are the effects of vaping on health (little known for the moment), what method do you propose to use to find out? you can ask yourself the same question on whether cucumbers protect against intestinal cancer or if listening to rap repeatedly weakens mental performance !!!


So these are not hallway noises, but real victims.

my question is basically: how do you know there are real victims? because you read people who said it, but how did they find out, by what method?
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by Janic » 20/02/20, 14:24

janic wrote: And yet that is what I wrote. We cannot measure H by the yardstick of A.
but you remain obsessively stuck on the H. and the A.
Since this is the subject! they blame me so often for drifting and where I stay the course, you blame me for not drifting !?
when my question was not about that at all.
But my answer: yes!
It was about the general way of highlighting effects that were not immediately visible, I spoke for example of glyphosate, but you can take lots of different examples, including still unknown.
It's not my type ! already that when they are known, there is disagreement, then without…. !!!!
For example if you are wondering what are the effects of vaping on health (little known for the moment), what method do you propose to use to find out?
Very simple, I propose to stop and not to leave a blind eye with one eye, for a blind eye with the other. I have helped hundreds of smokers to quit without vaping and it has been seriously questioned, very recently!
you can ask yourself the same question on whether cucumbers protect against intestinal cancer or if listening to rap repeatedly weakens mental performance !!!
easy, plants protect against cancer, whatever it is, and I don't listen to rap, so no opinion.
Janic wrote:So these are not hallway noises, but real victims.
my question is basically: how do you know there are real victims? because you read people who said it, but how did they find out, by what method?
re belotte with your methods! When peasants spreading any kind of cide are sick while their distant neighbors are not and their way of life is similar, it is not difficult to incriminate these cides in question. While others protected by masks and waterproof clothing are no longer so. Simple and effective means of comparison.
Then if the civil courts condemn the manufacturers, it is not fair to annoy them, especially when they have to spit a few billion in compensation. This is America! : Cheesy:
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by ABC2019 » 20/02/20, 16:07

Janic wrote: When peasants spreading any kind of cide are sick while their distant neighbors are not and their way of life is similar, it is not difficult to incriminate these cides in question.

you really have trouble understanding my question. My question is: concretely, by what method do we get to know this? obviously once again when the correlation is very clear, like all the peasants who used such a thing are sick and none who did not use it is very simple, but you really believe that it happens like that in reality?
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by Janic » 20/02/20, 16:17

Janic wrote:
When peasants spreading any kind of cide are sick while their distant neighbors are not and their way of life is similar, it is not difficult to incriminate these cides in question.
you really have trouble understanding my question.
you really have trouble understanding my answer!
My question is: concretely, by what method do we get to know this? obviously once again when the correlation is very clear, like all the peasants who used such a thing are sick and none who did not use it is very simple, but you really believe that it happens like that in reality?
eh yes! When the authorities don't traffic the numbers.
If you have the flu with all its hassle and you contaminate your relationships, that's how it is and the case of the coronavirus demonstrates it because all have the same characteristics ... except those who have not been in contact with this contaminating agent. White cap, white cap!
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by ABC2019 » 20/02/20, 16:32

Janic wrote: eh yes! When the authorities don't traffic the numbers.

oh well but I had a round-up and I had no cancer!
remind me what glyphosate is supposed to give as a disease already? I may have one without knowing it !!
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by Janic » 20/02/20, 17:38

oh well but I had a round-up and I had no cancer!
or not yet! : Shock:
remind me what glyphosate is supposed to give as a disease already? I may have one without knowing it !!
as usual, check with independent professionals. : roll:
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by GuyGadebois » 20/02/20, 17:46

ABC2019 wrote:
Janic wrote: eh yes! When the authorities don't traffic the numbers.

oh well but I had a round-up and I had no cancer!

This is proof that it is safe! : Cheesy:
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