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by Remundo » 04/06/11, 22:02

Bikinis are solarizing themselves ...

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How to use
1) establish the current with the young lady
2) raise the tension along a string,
3) pay attention to the risk of overheating.
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by elephant » 04/06/11, 23:32

Boo! 40 elements in series, that only makes 20 volts: not much effect when one is interested too closely in the lady ......
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by Remundo » 05/06/11, 09:52

have you taken into account the difference in lighting according to the zones? : Cheesy:
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Re: Some loose thinking ...




by Did67 » 05/06/11, 12:01

The passerby wrote:
2. Oil (just like gas) must have existed, a long time ago, in another form than that we know today, namely: plants, trees, living organisms, so all this carbon was already in the natural cycle of the planet, right? So is it really polluting to reinject it into the cycle by burning it?
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Just two or three words to change your thinking:

- on earth, most of life is carbon chemistry; we also call this organic chemistry!

- the "C" therefore existed in mass, but in a "reduced" form (combined mainly with hydrogen) to constitute the main part of the dry matter of living beings ...

- CO² is only annoying in the atmosphere, where it causes the greenhouse effect (with other gases, such as methane, much worse!), therefore the heating ...

- CO² can be considered as a "fertilizer": it is essential for photosynthesis; in closed environments (greenhouses) there are also enrichment processes

- thanks to solar energy, this "degraded" form of carbon, oxidized, is "re-inflated" in reduced carbon, rich in energy: organic molecules

- we can eat with it (it is the source of energy for animals) by degrading them "gently", biologically, again into CO² and H²O

- you can heat yourself by burning them more brutally (soaring) or produce energy (steam engine, Stirling engine = external combustion) ...

Coal ("C" almost pure), gasoline and fuel (medium chains of H - C of about 8 or 10 atoms of C; "octane") and gas (CH4; C2H6 or C3H8) are only different forms of this. Reduced "C". And therefore solar energy "in bars", "in tank" or "in bottles".

And it begins again.

So "C" = a kind of natural drums. Battery empty = it is oxidized to CO² (or imperfectly oxidized to CO during combustion). A waste therefore. Photosynthesis (what a miraculous system!) "Recharges" them with hydrocarbons (long chains of C and H) that we can store, burn or eat ... While freeing the O² that we need to oxidize this again " C "reduced!

It's that simple ! An eternal energy cycle. The bricks (atoms) being only supports with this energy.

It is not CO² that is a problem, it is the excess of CO² and its induced effects on the earth's climate (the greenhouse effect). It's like the bad smell of accumulating waste ...

The gag being obviously that due to the rapid accumulation of CO², the climate overheats which reduces the vital capacity (because life also needs water, also needs "normal" temperatures). So the system may work less well in lots of places ("desertification"), but better elsewhere (current cold zones). They are just smaller ...
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by Remundo » 05/06/11, 12:13

totally agree with Did67 : Idea:
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by dedeleco » 05/06/11, 16:23

With CO2, the carbon cycle, there is the entire history of the earth over more than 4 billion years.
In the beginning, the earth had plenty of CO2 like Venus (not only methane), but with the sun 25% colder more than 3 billion years ago, this CO2 allowed heat on earth and the beginning of single cell life.
This life by inventing the use of solar energy, with cyanobacteria, approximately 2,8 billion years ago, used CO2 and produced a waste product O2, from water, which was removed spontaneously oxidizing all the iron in the rocks of the earth for well over a billion years, so that the atmosphere of the earth has O2 in high quantities to allow our multicellular life, only on the last billion years and especially since the last iceball glaciation to the earth's equator, 600million years ago.

Life has modified the earth and its atmosphere completely, removing the original CO2, to store it especially in carbonate rocks (km of sediments) and a little in oil, organic matter fallen to the bottom of lakes and oceans to be trapped in sediments (not to mention anaerobic oil), and with the oxygen produced, avoided the overheating of the earth which would have occurred with the increase of 25% of solar heat over 4 billion years.

Life has created the conditions for its maintenance on earth.
Oxygen is a waste exploited by life, and petroleum is the corresponding residual carbon, accumulated by life over more than 300 millions of years, in an amount certainly capable of burning all the oxygen in our atmosphere, since the life takes about 250 thousand years to renew this oxygen by accumulating carbon and oil underground.
So to burn all the oil, coal and gas, in a few centuries, amounts to suppressing all the oxygen that we breathe, and to have plenty of CO2, which as soon as it sees its concentration multiplied by 10, will heat the earth by 15 ° C to 20 ° C more, will melt the ice caps totally with 80m more water for all the oceans, as it was 56 millions of years ago, and even to return to the situation of it 4 billion years ago, than CO2 and methane and the earth much hotter 80 ° C and more, since the sun is much hotter by 25% !!

So it is not a question of pollution, but above all of our survival on earth, and of avoiding the destruction of the fragile balance of life on earth which ensures its existence by maintaining little CO2, (if not too hot), of the 'oxygen (waste and pollution of photosynthesis which ensures our survival as a multicellular being).

The natural cycle of life with its carbon cannot be disturbed too much otherwise our present life disappears and starts again at its beginning with the single cell life, a new cycle which took billions of years to establish!
Calculate with the current burning rate of carbon, how long it takes to double, then ten times the concentration of CO2, then to burn all the oxygen breathed !!
And compare with respect to the rate of renewal of this oxygen, of about 250000an, storing the corresponding living carbon underground below at the same time, otherwise it would recombine with this oxygen, which would have disappeared from our atmosphere !!

We cannot burn all the C stored underground waiting for a deceptive peak of oil !!!
We must change quickly !!
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