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by Christophe » 24/03/15, 19:24

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by izentrop » 25/03/15, 09:18

Hello,
He could have found more or less, there are many ways to achieve the same result.
Everyone must do their analysis to decrypt the info of the poison.

It becomes more and more difficult with internet which concentrates more and more on the commercial and the censors robots.
Do not rely on social networks that everyone can censor at will.

There are also the specialists of confusionism, very strong at blurring the spirits http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/2015/01/23/c ... lot-257284

Pseudo-scientific sites that give credit to any claim by people who provide no hard evidence. Interest is often only religious in a broad sense.
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by raymon » 25/03/15, 16:16

"The bigger the lie, the more it passes. The more often it is repeated, the more people believe it ..." goebbels
We see it for example very well today with the war in Ukraine or the Western and Russian media do not say the same thing at all so we must seek the truth ...
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by Grelinette » 25/03/15, 16:32

Without being fundamentally conspiratorial, negationist, confusional, or simply suspicious,
how can we still grant the minimum confidence to all these lobbies and characters who hold power, often financial and / or political?

Not a week goes by without journalists revealing to us that there has been scheming, manipulation, illicit agreement, embezzlement of public money, corruption, trading in influence, etc., etc., etc.

... and this morning again:

- a health case involving laboratories in the drug industry which bribed the gendarmes of the drugs to facilitate the placing on the market of drugs,

- then a new case of rigged markets (40M €!) by the Balkany,

- then the release of Woerth who would have offered the legion of honor to the employer of his wife, in charge of the Bettencourt fortune,
etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...

But how far will they stop? as Coluche would have said in his time!

Finally, would not the best smoking technique be precisely to launch false information, rumors of conspiracies, grotesque theories, etc., to drown the real and factual in a fog of business which we can no longer do? the difference between what is true and what is false?

Fortunately, going to vote this Sunday will change all that! ... Image
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by Superform » 25/03/15, 17:07

Grelinette wrote:Fortunately, going to vote this Sunday will change all that! ... Image


:| yes, go vote for "ecologists" who do not even speak of ecology in their proposals :?
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by Christophe » 25/03/15, 20:37

Yes go vote! In this regard, we had a nice recent example of misinformation: the results of the departmental elections in the 1st round in the media which have combined certain parties to reduce the share of the FN, here are the raw numbers: http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/depa ... 15/FE.html

Paired candidates Voice% Registered% Expressed
Far left binomial 14 723 0,03
Binomial of the Left Front 962 383 2,25 4,72
Left Party binomial 12 027 0,03
Pair of the French Communist Party 269 205 0,63 1,32
Socialist Party binomial 2 708 592
Binomial Union of the Left 1 663 485 3,90 8,17
Binomial of the Left Radical Party 62 370 0,15
Binomial Miscellaneous left 1 383 291
Binomial of Europe-Ecology-The Greens 412 728 0,97 2,03
Binomial Miscellaneous 271 001 0,63 1,33
Pair of Modem 72 410 0,17 0,36
Binôme Union du Center 58 985 0,14
Binomial Union Democrats and Independents 263 085 0,62
Binôme Union for a Popular Movement 1 339 579 3,14 6,58
Binomial Union of the Right 4 254 078 9,96 20,88
Binôme Debout la France 81 981 0,19
Binomial Divers right 1 386 578
Binôme Front National 5 142 177 12,04 25,24
Binôme Extrême droite 13 382 0,03


The FN is, by far, the 1st party in France !! : Shock:
Belgium had already gone to the far right despite appearances ...

ps: 2% for green people ... that's why this forum has been at half mast for months, the crisis has killed people's interest in ecology and not only politics ...
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by Ahmed » 26/03/15, 12:10

the crisis has killed people's interest in ecology and not only politics ...

Ecology appears what it has become: a new "product" which serves as a stepping stone for electoral ambitions and which, therefore, no longer stands out from the others ...

Through compromise and tactical maneuvers, ecology has been discredited at the political level, as greenwashing and enduring nonsense have undermined its radical necessity on a daily level.
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by elephant » 26/03/15, 15:36

Christopher said:

The FN is, by far, the 1st party in France !! Shocked
Belgium had already gone to the far right despite appearances ...

ps: 2% for green people ... that's why this forum has been at half mast for months, the crisis has killed people's interest in ecology and not only politics ...


Disagree with you:

1) the first party of France and that of Belgium, it is the abstentionist party: http://democratie-nouvelle.skynetblogs. ... 66869.html

2) Belgium passed to the extreme right: we are far from the count, no ED measure passes except that a few more asylum seekers are turned back.

3) Voters have realized that green measures are found in projects of all parties and that new green initiatives are costly to the national budget and to the comfort of the "poor" (1 / 6th of the population ). We really have the impression of dealing with a party of caring boy scouts against parties that are much more efficient and pragmatic.
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by Christophe » 26/03/15, 19:31

1) It is not a party and the absentees are always wrong ... right?

2) We only see the tip of the iceberg on decisions (especially those to come ...). In number of raw votes, the FN is the 1st party in France for the poll last Sunday ... What about the NVA in Belgium?

3) Yes unfortunately you are right and the fall is quite terrible: in Europe it was, from memory about 20% of green ... from 20% to 2% it is a world ...
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by Ahmed » 26/03/15, 20:55

3) Of course, when a new product is sold with a certain success by an entering the market, the usual strategy consists in distributing a product of this type under its own label, so as to recover the customers ...
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