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by sen-no-sen » 17/11/14, 11:06

Obamot wrote:Worse than we might think, better than we believe:

Worse because:
- 28% of 40% (between them) it's only down by 11,2% on the 2030 / 2040 horizon;
- except that by then, energy-related emissions will increase by 20%, tells us the RTS:
http://www.rts.ch/info/monde/6296625-ch ... serre.html


It's a simple announcement effect, nothing more ... the American president did only what the political logic ordered him to do:
1) Take "measures" to calm the (weak) citizen protest which tends to grow in view of the severe climatic phenomena of its last years ...
2) Do not make radical changes to avoid the wrath of oil / gas lobbies.

As far as the Chinese are concerned, their measures are only aimed at stabilizing their emissions in line with the forecasts of economic and demographic growth of their countries (which amounts to a measure = 0).

In conclusion, the goal of the two giants and not to issue more based on a year or they emitted a lot! This is totally insufficient, because it would be necessary to emit almost nothing to hope for a change of deal.
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by Ahmed » 17/11/14, 11:51

It is possible, as suggested Obamot that the USA enact some restrictive standards in order to retain market shares for their industry, thus practicing indirect protectionism, but it is clear that, even in this hypothesis, it would only be purely marginal and quickly swept away by the "rebound effect" .

Nothing, absolutely nothing in the facts indicates any desire to give up the current model, except to simply embellish symbolic measures and oxymoronic speech ...
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by sen-no-sen » 17/11/14, 14:12

Ahmed wrote:
Nothing, absolutely nothing in the facts indicates any desire to give up the current model, except to simply embellish symbolic measures and oxymoronic speech ...


It's a certain thing!
In addition, the anti-warming plan "B" (geoengineering) is now finding a growing number of followers, as the Republican said. Newt Gingrich, (former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives):
"Geo-engineering brings the promise of a global warming response for only a few billion dollars a year. Instead of penalizing average Americans, we would have the opportunity to respond to global warming by rewarding scientific inventiveness * ... Stimulate American ingenuity. Enough of green diktat,


* By scientific inventiveness it is necessary to understand financial profitabilitybecause there is nothing scientifically inventive to disperse particles into the atmosphere!

It is clear that the US and China will want to play a major role in setting up such a measure $$$!
And given the lack of good faith of industrialized nations on measures to counteract global warming, it is clear that Plan B is actually the only serious plan of the system.
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by Ahmed » 17/11/14, 17:45

It is clear that this is a way of winning on both counts: once by polluting, a second by depolluting ... except that this translates into increased overall consumption perfectly meeting the imperative of "maximizing dissipation Energy".

To manage to reconcile, at least on paper, the waste "as usual" and the ecology as it is practiced from now on, it is a beautiful tour de force which shows to what abyssal level this last one reached and how much little it still deserves its name.
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by sen-no-sen » 17/11/14, 18:44

Ahmed wrote:It is clear that this is a way of winning on both counts: once by polluting, a second by depolluting ... except that this translates into increased overall consumption perfectly meeting the imperative of "maximizing dissipation Energy".



Elementary my dear Watson, assuming "that everything tends to persevere in his being", the anthropotechnical system is therefore no exception to the rule!
What is tasty is to see the justifications of industrialists and politicians to prove to us that all this will be done only in the interest of the common good.

To manage to reconcile, at least on paper, the waste "as usual" and the ecology as it is practiced from now on, it is a beautiful tour de force which shows to what abyssal level this last one reached and how much little it still deserves its name.


If we define ecology as the science of the human in its environment, and that we consider from now on this one as being no longer natural but artificial, we little then considered ecology as a viable term! :frown:
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by Ahmed » 17/11/14, 18:58

If we define ecology as the science of the human in its environment and that we consider it henceforth as no longer natural, but artificial, we can then consider ecology as a viable term!

Yes ... (sigh), at the price of a painful semantic galipette ...
The mourning of ecology due to the sinister jesters who represent it must be accompanied by the search for a new term to designate, not the sad reality that we are enjoined to submit to us, but to what would be really desirable and which corresponds to the intentions of the historical promoters of true ecology.
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by Obamot » 26/11/14, 00:10

Ahmed wrote:
RégsB wrote:
Obamot wrote: «Reflection made, the system has reached such a point of saturation and total control, that it is no longer able to self-regulate, since the reindeer of this economic totalitarianism escapes even the low hand of its designers : since they are not even able to meet new challenges: they are political, economic societal health or other, without causing social upheaval with consequences and ending regularly in the bloodshed! [...]

My conclusion is that we can not do anything anymore, whether we are a citizen of a dictatorship or a democracy, it will not change war (uh I meant hardly ...) When will the next be forgotten? quickly this haggling on the Co2 ...?

It's not tomorrow that will change, EXCEPT if [...]
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Was disgusted; Have nothing more to say! : Evil:
Do not panic! It's pretty commonplace and you'll get used to it ...

So thin, in his latest book "$ uicide of Fr @ nce"And with other words and various tangents to achieve it, Eri © Zé'mour that I abhor sometimes (to somewhere), reaches the same conclusions that I evoked here and there ...

Has anyone read it? Is he sincere?
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by plasmanu » 30/11/14, 04:33

It's odd because OPEC imposes a diktat.

http://www.express.be/business/fr/econo ... 209561.htm


"This major attack is targeting the US market," Fedun said. He explained that the US oil producers are currently surviving because they managed to secure a resale price of 90 dollars a barrel for their oil, but they will be hit hard by the current prices of 70 dollars when these contracts expire. Indeed, at this price, they can no longer cover their production costs.
The Russians are less affected, he said, because their costs of production are lower and the fall in the ruble price helps mitigate the impact of the drop in oil prices that are expressed in dollars.
Fedun thinks that the collapse of prices should continue: "In 2016, when OPEC reaches its goal of cleaning up the US marginal market, oil prices will start to rise again." He proposed an interesting comparison:

The rise of shale oil is like the Internet bubble. The strongest will stay, the weakest will disappear "


What big snake to swallow.
Poor American. Soon ruined by the shale they have at will.

OPEC accounts for about 40% of world oil production. Saudi Arabia alone pumps 16% of the world's oil. However, from now on, the United States, which is not a member of the organization, produces almost as much. As for Russia, which is also not a member of OPEC, it pumps 14% of world production.

Who can quantify the losses.
The last time, it was the USSR that exploded to have forced the sale price under the blow of production to annihilate profits and push the state to bankruptcy.
For the USSR: their financial flexibility was too low and perfectly calculated by the members of the pentagon ... We know the rest.
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by plasmanu » 30/11/14, 06:32

At least 315 € mrds, to make a historical connection.
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by Ahmed » 30/11/14, 08:17

"Poor Americans. Soon ruined by the shale they have at will."

But saved by the dollars they "produce" at will ...
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