19 measures against CRISIS !!!

[Christophe]

This text offers a series of concrete alternatives to the crisis that Europe is going through. It contains nineteen immediate measures to be taken in terms of finance in general and banking in particular. Beyond these measures, it proposes the socialization of the banking and insurance sector under citizen control. Then, it addresses the other measures to be taken for an exit from the crisis favorable to the overwhelming majority of the population: stop austerity plans; cancel illegitimate, unsustainable, odious and / or illegal public debt; cancel illegitimate and / or illegal private debts; increase the resources of the public authorities and reduce inequalities through the establishment of fiscal justice; carry out legitimate public borrowing; develop and expand public services; strengthen the PAYG pension system; radically reduce working hours to guarantee full employment and adopt an income policy to achieve social justice; question the euro and act for another Europe, which means replacing the current treaties via a genuine process that constitutes peoples. These are proposals submitted for debate.

by Eric Toussaint

Read: http://www.legrandsoir.info/europe-alte ... crise.html

Hoping it isn't a fish ...

[chatelot16]

drastically reduce working hours to guarantee full employment

no ! it's absurd !

the reduction in working time is the result of an improvement in the efficiency of the company

the reduction in working time was a result of using a more efficient machine, the result of better work organization in the companies

now there is an increase in the money wasted by the state, an increase in the money wasted in the companies to respect standards and questionable regulations

result the general efficiency decreases, so it will be necessary that the working time increases! until we correct the errors that degrade this efficiency

by refusing this increase in working time we cause worse nonsense! unemployment ! we waste the work force of the unemployed and we pay them anyway

when a company dismisses personnel it believes to make an economy ... but like all the companies dismiss, the social charges for unemployment increase, and the companies continue to pay indirectly the unemployed!

even when the unemployed are no longer compensated, it remains indirectly the responsibility of the whole of society, often by the insistence of their family ...

it is a lamentable source of inefficiency, worse than just financial, but lamentably demotivating ...

hoping to solve the problem of unemployment by reducing working time, it's like wanting to move a car faster by pushing the speedometer needle

yes when it goes faster the counter needle goes up ... but if we raise the needle it does not advance the car

[elephant]

Let's stop using the word "CRISE"

We are not in crisis, but squarely in CHANGE OF STRUCTURE.

Things are no longer decided here, but in Beijing, Kuala Lumpur, Bahrain, New York.

We no longer have natural resources, colonies, industry: we are not even able to produce high technology, so our schoolchildren are stupid and lazy.

It must be said: instead of 2 billion potential competitors in 1960, we now have 7 billion active competitors and like idiots, we are the ones who equipped them.

[chatelot16]

it is not pekin who decides social charges and taxes in france

as long as the French state continues to dissuade companies from making French people work with too heavy social charges, the decline will continue ... conversely, we let big companies do any sort of financial arrangement so as not to pay the taxes they should pay

I agree that it is not a crisis (the word crisis designates a brutal and short-lived problem): it is indeed a progressive decadence which began a long time ago, and which will continue as long as one does not not change what causes it

It is essential to modify the taxes and charges ... France cannot reduce taxes, but must move them heavily: frankly reduce the social charges directly linked to work in France, and compensate by a massive increase in other taxes. directly related to work

basically exonerate those who create jobs, and tax those who make money around the world

maybe it would make some society flee ... no matter what would make the worst flee

I have nothing against multinationals: some are even very good for employment in France: some organize themselves to sell in France what is to be manufactured in France at the right price, and faric in low-cost countries the same thing, avoiding selling it in France so as not to cause the French factory to sink ... and it’s some clever little supermarkets who run this system, to earn a few cents and make the French factory sink : it's a shame! it is the foreign company which makes a kind of protectionism to defend a factory

the problem is rather europe which blocks the big tax reform, with the VAT for example

it is not a question of leaving Europe, but of doing what is necessary without letting Europe prohibit it

[elephant]

Of course, the decisions that directly concern us are not taken in Beijing or Shanghai.

I would rather say the decisions that affect us.

Example: as long as the Belgians sell their tobacco cheaper, the French will cross the border to buy their tobacco there.

As long as the Yuan is cheap, the world will buy from China ...

etc ...

We're "out of the game", that's all

[Ahmed]

Reducing working time is essential but insufficient if it does not allow greater individual and collective autonomy.

Chatelot, the beginning of your analysis is good, it is productivity that allows us to imagine the possibility of a reduction in working time (but not only, I simplify), at the same time, these productivity gains have unbalanced the theoretical functioning of the model.
Clearly, this means that production work could decrease significantly as long as consumption work increased correlatively (the so-called consumer society period).
Note that these two types are totally opposed, while being perfectly complementary and retroactive.

The following development (which is only the continuation of the same trend) produces a certain number of contradictions: the increase in productivity leads to the fall in the profit of companies (in a competitive situation) and mass unemployment replaces unemployment dynamic (creative destruction in Schumpeter), the payroll melts and the system becomes inoperative.
Microeconomics diverges more and more from macroeconomics, in clear and for example. waves of dismissals ensure the particular survival of a company, to the detriment of the community (collectivization of losses).
This is also reflected in the use of finance as a "spare wheel" allowing the system to continue.
What you call wastage * of the state or regulations, correspond both to relay consumption (which replaces consumption which stagnates) and to the management of complexity, which is always greater; two elements that fuel the temporary survival of the system by avoiding its contradictions.

* Waste is assigned a negative sign in production work and a positive sign in consumption work.

[Ahmed]

The reduction in charges would be a bottomless pit, a palliative for small businesses, they would be a great bonus for those who are out of competition ... hence the flawless interest of MEDEF.
How far should we go, when China is relocating to more impoverished countries ... (slight local improvements in working conditions are beginning to contradict the decrease in profits).

"Competitiveness" is a crude lure, since, in order to have the virtues that we attribute to it, it would be necessary to be alone to implement it, yet it is a recurring theme everywhere ...

[chatelot16]

the goal is not to make a blank check to the company in the form of load reduction: it is necessary that the state continues to function and there is no way to instantly reduce the state budget

but the social charges are paid by the netreprises which have the most staff in France! it's a way of taxing more the companies that do the best

it must be fixed differently! tax all the profit, but not the work ... tax as much in total but distributed otherwise

it is not only a question of consumption: it is a question of choice at every floor: I am a boss and I have a problem to solve, must we repair the broken down machine, or buy a new one: currently the new machine arrives from China at no cost ... the investment in a Chinese machine goes favorably in the accounting ... if I repair the old it makes employees work with a lot of load, it does not go well in the accounting it is not an investment ... if the repair is made by a French company there are even more costs ... so the choice is clear we put the French in unemployment and we buy Chinese

it is however obvious: why make pay the unemployment contribution to the companies which have salaried? it's the companies that make a profit by reducing the employees who have to pay

if the social charges were paid on the profits and not on the wages that would have a great effect of revival of the economy! when we calculate the profitability of a manufacturing project, if we know that we will pay part of the profit, we are sure that the other part will remain ... alas currently we have to pay social charges month by months without being sure that there is a benefit ... so when we are not on we do not build anything

the way to charge too heavy a charge directly on the wages is a brake which blocks everything

Holland has succeeded in the absurdity with the CICE of promising a reduction in load of an absolute complexity which will cost the state as expensive as a simple reduction in load but which has no effect of releasing the brake since it is necessary continue paying social charges right away: it just gives you hope of being reimbursed by tax credit the following year if all goes well ... if something is missing in a paper

to give good conscience the CICE gives right to zero rate loans to compensate for the charges that we pay immediately and will be reimbursed in tax credit ... it gives the right to a loan to the bank, but it doesn do not force the bank to lend ... as usual the banks only lend to the wealthy ... so the CICE is only used by companies that did not need it

for the simple craftsman who works alone and who could employ several people if there were not these enormous charges to pay from the first month the CICE does not release the brake

[Ahmed]

A society based on the cult of abstract value can only wish to develop abstract employment (abstract, because it does not matter what employment produces [quality], as long as it produces value [quantity])
A society in which men are not at the service of the economy would appreciate everything that frees them from this painful obligation ...

In the current state of things, work is no longer the main source of the production of goods and the race for productivity is always more sterile, since it decreases both profit and the possibility of disposing of a stock ever increasing in goods by contracting the wage bill), which requires further productivity gains ...

[Philippe Schutt]

the current debts being mainly due to the policies of "welfare state", I propose rather to:
repay debts, reduce the state's share in the functioning of the economy and reduce its resources, reduce social budgets to the minimum subsistence level and if possible demonetize them, cut all public services that could be provided by the private sector , introduce the flat-tax, abolish the pay-as-you-go pension and replace it with capitalization, nationalize the land, abolish all aid and subsidies, all special schemes, prohibit begging and vagrancy of minors.
Finally, in foreign policy, meddle with our onions, and do nothing without compensation.
Ah, and stop repeating the accusations of our cowardly politicians against the euro, who are hiding behind it so as not to assume their clientelist policies.
Finally, denounce human rights, reintroduce compulsory labor for those accused of justice, the death penalty.

Well, this is to show that this article is too politically oriented to be honest.