APT, PTCI, TAFTA, TTIP: what is the transatlantic treaty?

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Re: APT, PTCI, TAFTA, TTIP: what is the transatlantic treaty?




by izentrop » 20/11/16, 00:35

Flytox wrote:Hello? ZZtop?, Not Ribentropp? Uh no, excuse me! Izentrop! Don't you want to talk to us about the background?
Are you really interested? : Wink:
Some take it as a game https://ttipgameover.net/blog/soutien/ and they are ready to sabotage everything for fear of the future and for no real reason.

I think that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater and as I have already expressed here, Corentin de Salle's opinion seems to me to be full of common sense http://www.lalibre.be/debats/opinions/l ... 1fc424d8c5
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by Flytox » 20/11/16, 22:50

izentrop wrote:
Flytox wrote:Hello? ZZtop?, Not Ribentropp? Uh no, excuse me! Izentrop! Don't you want to talk to us about the background?
Are you really interested? : Wink:
Some take it as a game https://ttipgameover.net/blog/soutien/ and they are ready to sabotage everything for fear of the future and for no real reason.

I think that we should not throw the baby out with the bathwater and as I have already expressed here, Corentin de Salle's opinion seems to me to be full of common sense http://www.lalibre.be/debats/opinions/l ... 1fc424d8c5


A game with a petition to 3 million people ... ????
Mr. Corentin de Salle:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corentin_de_Salle

Biography

He studied political philosophy and legal theory at the University of Oxford. He is the author of “End of history and Legitimacy of Law in the work of FA von Hayek” (in Revue française de science politique, 2003), of “La doxa, normative foundation of liberalism? "1 (in Le Banquet, 2003), La Philosophie (2009) 2 and La Tradition de la Liberté Volume I (2010) 3 available online4, book translated into Portuguese (" A Tradição da Liberdade - Grandes Obras do Pensamento Liberal ") 5 and in Polish, from" The Tradition of Liberty Tome II, Les Lumières libérale "(2011) 6 also translated into Portuguese and Polish, from" The Tradition of Liberty Tome III, Splendeur et Misères du Capitalisme "( 2014), of “Energy fiasco, The ecological waste of resources”, Texquis (2014), book co-authored with the deputy David Clarinval and of “Release the potential of the collaborative economy”, Cep, 2016, book published under his direction.

Corentin de Salle sees capitalism as the first benefit of humanity7. He works in the audiovisual media and very frequently publishes articles in the daily press La Libre Belgique, Le Soir, L'Écho, Le Monde, Le Figaro, etc. Regarding the environmental theme, he defends a liberal conception of ecology8 and affirms the unlimited character of resources due to economic development and scientific progress 9.

He teaches philosophy, ethics listed on the stock exchange and certain branches of the right to submit to it in various Brussels universities (ISAT Haute École Électromécanique Schaerbeek, Institut Cooremans, École Pratique des Hautes Etudes Commerciales) and is an assistant at the University. free from Brussels.

Corentin de Salle is also scientific director of the Jean Gol Center, the study center of the Reform movement in French-speaking Belgium. As such, he is invited to explain the ideas of this party: he helps to clarify the concept of liberalism and addresses various current political issues in discussion with a varied audience.

He is a fervent supporter of the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement better known by its English abbreviation CETA and the agreements between Europe with the two North American states in general. According to him, the development of trade has "always coincided with [...] civilization and progress" while the opposite would coincide with "violence, war and economic, social and cultural decline". More specifically, he points to a "disinformation campaign orchestrated by opponents of the transatlantic treaties"


His presentation is almost full of affirmations ..... a priori no more credible than the other documents exposed above. It would be interesting to know who is funding it to support such theses.
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by sen-no-sen » 20/11/16, 23:43

Well seen Flytox.
Ce Corentin de Salle only seems to be yet another agent of liberalism in the lineage of'A.Madelin.
Nothing more from ideology and belief in economism, and should we trust this kind of character? : Lol:
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by izentrop » 20/11/16, 23:50

Flytox wrote:A game with a petition to 3 million people ... ????
Well that's easy with people who get little information or by "fessebouk" and when we tell them that it is the fault of "European Commission, national governments, multinationals, lobbyists ..." they allow themselves to be influenced.
We have the possibility of forging the standards which, in the long run, could impose themselves on China, India, etc. If we miss this chance, the United States risks turning to China and adopting, for lack of a heritage of common values, much less democratic standards.

Our CE standards are envied around the world.
An example: I had bought led lamps in China at an unrivaled price. The catch is that on, I can no longer listen to my FM radio. Now I only buy lamps with the "CE" logo which do not emit unwanted electromagnetic fields.
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by Flytox » 21/11/16, 22:41

izentrop wrote:
Flytox wrote:A game with a petition to 3 million people ... ????
Well that's easy with people who get little information or by "fessebouk" and when we tell them that it is the fault of "European Commission, national governments, multinationals, lobbyists ..." they allow themselves to be influenced.
We have the possibility of forging the standards which, in the long run, could impose themselves on China, India, etc. If we miss this chance, the United States risks turning to China and adopting, for lack of a heritage of common values, much less democratic standards.


Yes, 3 million opponents, certainly not all of them contaminated by the face of a goat or at the orders of a few multinationals whose interests would be antagonistic, against a few hundred wise, measured and far-sighted police officers, lobbyists and multinationals who would work in the greatest transparency, spirit of sacrifice, beneficence, selflessness, what do I say .... of universal philanthropy .... : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

Our CE standards are envied around the world.


Lots of Chinese electronics arrive with this label, not respecting the standard at all. It is just declarative on the part of the manufacturer and not verified / validated by an independent body for the most part ...

For the other European "food" standards much more careful and protective of the consumer etc ..., and no less interesting than the CE, they are so envied, that some philanthropists make it their duty that they are not applicable in the terms of the agreement.

https://francais.rt.com/economie/8697-t ... limentaire


Monday, a new week of negotiations on the Transatlantic Partnership (TTIP) will open in Miami, which is not to the taste of some opponents denouncing the "race to the bottom" of European standards.

This is the case of Nick Dearden, director of the NGO Global Justice Now, which fights for social justice. According to him, even before any signature of the treaty, the multinationals US would profit from the negotiations to push the European Union to agree to import goods for the moment prohibited, like certain GMOs.

Prospect of #TTIP already undermining EU food standards, say campaigners - Our story in the Observer today http://t.co/R2O9bbC074#noTTIP- Global Justice Now (@GlobalJusticeUK) October 18, 2015

Quoting an article in the economics daily Washington Trade Daily, the activist says that Damien Levie, one of the European negotiators of the treaty, let slip that "the negotiations on the TTIP helped to accelerate the entry of GMOs and carcasses of beef treated with chemicals on the European market. ' Daerden even claims that "five new products" genetically modified have already been approved.

Multinationals are already importing banned foods including #GMO into the #EU ahead of #TTIPhttp: //t.co/7tgPfOrnetpic.twitter.com/l9gob1jTmA— Ian56 (@ Ian56789) October 18, 2015

A spokesperson for the European Commission spoke on the charges, dismissing them altogether. He asserts in particular that the authorization of the beef carcasses dates from 2013 and that “this question has no relation to the negotiations in progress. Our position is not to lower our standards in the context of TTIP or any other commercial negotiation, ”he said.

But the director of Global Justice Now remains convinced that the harmonization of legislation between the United States and the European Union will necessarily, for the latter, go through a "race to the bottom". Deploring the measures already taken with regard to food security, he concludes: "just imagine when the TTIP will really come into force".

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) project aims to set up a free trade area between European states and the USA, thus involving some 800 million inhabitants. The agreement is controversial in Europe where three million people have already signed a petition against it. Last weekend in Berlin, 250 people demonstrated to demand a halt to negotiations.

http://t.co/4B4e7jyFkF Anti-TTIP demonstration in Berlin attracts hundreds of thousands - once again no BBC coverage # StopTTIP # BBCBias— Anti-Austerity UK (@AntiAusterityUK) October 10, 2015
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by izentrop » 22/11/16, 16:19

Russia Today, the conspiracy chain of the Kremlin is not the kind of source that interests me.
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by moinsdewatt » 22/11/16, 22:08

US President-elect Donald Trump said Monday, November 21, that on the first day of his presidency, he would initiate the withdrawal of the United States from the Trans-Pacific Trade Treaty (TPP).
The TPP was signed in 2015 by twelve countries in the region excluding China.

The trade partnership is "a potential disaster for our country," said Trump, who will enter the White House on January 20, in a video released by his transition team on Monday detailing how he will take action. upon taking office.

"Instead, we will negotiate fair and bilateral trade treaties that will bring jobs and industry back to America," added Mr. Trump.

http://www.lemonde.fr/elections-america ... 29254.html
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by Flytox » 22/11/16, 22:26

izentrop wrote:Russia Today, the conspiracy chain of the Kremlin is not the kind of source that interests me.


So what ???

Are you suggesting that these anti TTIP and other SETA actions are propaganda orchestrated by the Kremlin ??? Why not ? : Mrgreen:
But by the way, what is the most toxic propaganda, that of the Kremlin or that of Uncle Sam? The average citizen has the choice between Charybdis and Scylla, a vast program. : Mrgreen:

If that is the case, there are simply citizens who feel that the situation will still elude them and that these agreements will be made on their backs.
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by izentrop » 23/11/16, 08:59

Flytox wrote:what is the most toxic propaganda, that of the Kremlin or that of Uncle Sam?
Fox news no better.
The decryption of the info becomes more and more difficult so the intoxication is everywhere.
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by Ahmed » 23/11/16, 13:09

Bah! That's the function of "the info", right?
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