Limiting Global: How CO2?

[GuyGadebois]

@ Ahmed: You should do as with Tryphon, refrain from answering manipulation technicians, specialists in muddle. The figures for biocides are known, everything is referenced, there's only to bend down to pick them. Just one: In Europe, for thirty years, almost 80% of the insects have disappeared.

[ABC2019]

So you confirm that we really need figures to assess a phenomenon, and therefore it is perfectly legitimate to also quantify the consequences of the actions we would undertake.
For example, reducing the use of fossil fuels is likely to increase the need for plant carbon, and therefore to exacerbate the pressure on natural environments (this has been seen with deforestation to produce sugar cane or oil palms for agro fuels for example), and therefore to increase the problem of the disappearance of species (finally rather the reduction of the wild animal population because the species do not disappear as much as one believes).

[Ahmed]

As long as you are cautious, numbers are useful, I never denied it. However, they cannot replace a solid analysis, which they are used too often, to my great regret. It is probably a consequence of the machinery which is capable of carrying out all possible computations with the figures and our correlative erasure which atrophies our capacities of judgment, discipline more demanding and refractory to the mechanical substitution (unless we consider favorably the pale imitations that it is capable of providing).

[ABC2019]

The problem is not in the figures, it is in the manipulation of the figures, which is not the same thing.
For example Raoult manipulates the figures when he declares that he has 0,5% lethality at the IHU against 19% in France. It is not that it is false, but it is misleading, since in fact the figure is that (correct) of the number of deaths attributed to Covid / number of people tested positive for Covid), but the difference does not come of the numerator but of the denominator: it has a lower number because it has essentially tested many more people, and above all essentially much more people who are not sick.

but to get an idea of ​​whether the HCQ is effective, you need figures ... but figures correctly measured and interpreted!

Similarly, the study withdrawn from the Lancet is not bad because the method is bad but because the figures used are very probably false, and in any case not verifiable!

it is therefore not a solution to say "we do not need figures to decide". What we need are good numbers, not manipulated. So I continue to ask the question: according to which figures did we "decide" that the RC should be limited to 2 ° C or 1,5 ° C? where does this estimate come from?

[Ahmed]

I always agree that we need figures, but that this is completely insufficient to make a judgment. Admittedly, good figures are needed, but even in this case it only solves the quantitative problems, but what is important are the qualitative aspects which are not treated, since outside the field of current perception ...
We were left with the joke of the drunkard who searches for his keys under the lamppost, not because he lost them there, but because it is the only lit place.
@ Guy: I do not believe that it is necessary to assimilate ABC à Tryphon.

[ABC2019]

I always agree that we need figures, but that this is completely insufficient to make a judgment.

We agree on the above, the figures can only support a position but do not replace the values ​​against which we interpret them!

[Ahmed]

Completely and according to the orientations or aims, the conclusions can differ completely, starting from the same figures.

[GuyGadebois]

"It is beautiful it is fresh my anthropogenic ecocide".

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International Mail from 11 to 17 June 2020

[GuyGadebois]

6th mass extinction: the Anthropocene

Duration: 3000 years affecting around 20% of the species

Currently, biodiversity loss and related environmental changes are faster than at any time in human history. Many animal and plant populations are declining, whether in terms of number of individuals, geographic extent, or both. The disappearance of species is part of the natural course of Earth's history. However, human activity has accelerated the natural rate of extinction since the Neolithic (about 3 years ago).

Recent studies estimate that the rate of extinction of vertebrates today, even under stable conditions, is 100 times higher than their rate of natural extinction (Ceballos et al., 2015). Unfortunately, the loss of biodiversity continues to accelerate as shown in successive WWF Living Planet reports.

Result: the current extinction, caused by human activities, is comparable to a major biological crisis since by 2050, it is estimated that 25 to 50% of species will have disappeared, including in the oceans.
Causes of the ongoing mass extinction

Almost wherever human societies have settled and thrived, large animals have been slaughtered, ecosystems sustainably polluted and the habitats of other species destroyed. However, several million years are necessary to cover a biological diversity following a massive extinction.

Thus, the unsustainable activities of our societies have initiated a mass extinction which should definitively seal the fate of humanity: we will be both the cause and the victims of this sixth mass extinction ...

https://www.notre-planete.info/environn ... ssives.php

[Obamot]

Only trolls are not threatened with extinction. They swarm and are asexual