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Re: Adios Amigo Chavez, hasta siempre the r-evoluzione!




by Ahmed » 23/08/18, 08:00

You can philosophize with your head or your feet. The first option is preferable, but in an emergency the second necessarily prevails. The question of immediate survival dictates decisions, good or bad ...
Faced with the omnipotence of its neighbor, this small country had never been able to compete on a technological level and had consoled itself with the oil rent; unfortunately for him, as we know, prices fell ... But the USA, which appears as a haven of prosperity is also based on a rent, that of the dollar and it is only by its maintenance that this country retains its high standard of living * and arrogance.

* As seen above, part of the profits result from technological or productive activities, but it is the financial industry that holds everything in place. This also holds true for all "developed" countries, albeit at a more modest level: all depend on debt.
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by Janic » 23/08/18, 08:20

And philosophers will be able to philosophize. And Mélenchon cause ...
Mélenchon is also a philosopher who, like all, has precise opinions on what should be a society which would put the human above all the rest, which is not easy in a world turned almost exclusively towards technology for itself and therefore a savage materialism.
So failing (or waiting) to be able to do, without means, it only remains to cause ... as the ecology elsewhere because complaining about pollution without having the means to put a stop to it, it is also verbiage, to see Hulot and his bricolages, little in connection with all the ideology of which he made his daily bread until his entry to the government and blocked on all sides by the interests economic of the same government.
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by Ahmed » 23/08/18, 11:35

Mélenchon is above all a politician who uses his mastery of language for his greatest profit ...
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by Janic » 23/08/18, 12:54

Mélenchon is above all a politician who uses his mastery of language for his greatest profit ...
normal he is a political professional. So beyond a personal, professional interest, which among all the pleiad of politicians, is the best or the least worse according to criteria, obviously, personal. :?:
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by Ahmed » 23/08/18, 13:52

The "personal" criteria are irrelevant, each politician sells only the product which seems to him best suited for the promotion of his interests. It is therefore not wise to carefully weigh the contents of each product, since there is similarity between what they are used for ...
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by Janic » 23/08/18, 14:33

The "personal" criteria are irrelevant, each politician sells only the product which seems to him best suited for the promotion of his interests. It is therefore not wise to carefully weigh the contents of each product, since there is similarity between what they are used for ...
I was talking about the personal criteria of whoever chooses this or that politician, who will give direction to the country's politics (for those who vote). Even if we can assume that there are people guided by their own interests (but we all do the same: right?) It remains true to say the least that not all are guided ONLY by their interests and that they may have a hint of humanism in addition.
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by Ahmed » 23/08/18, 17:17

I was talking about the same thing! 8)
Someone who would stand for election without using the usual trickery would be disqualified by those who use it ...
Of course, these men are not monsters, but how can you know their possible "humanity" through their speeches? : Cheesy:
The most important thing is that although they may be sincerely inclined towards this or that particular inclination (which may be agreeable to many who find their interest in it), the common denominator of their acts, all trends taken together, is exaltation of what inexorably leads to ecocide * (the famous trilogy: growth, employment, GDP). Indeed, the main part of their divergences rests only on the distribution of the abstract values ​​produced. P. Poutou does not escape this logic any more than those against whom he lives.

* And, very logically, it is those who manage to convince the public that they will be most effective in this area who are elected. :(
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by Janic » 23/08/18, 19:41

Someone who would stand for election without using the usual trickery would be disqualified by those who use it ...

This is obvious in a system built on this model, but modifying this model without having the means, it does not lead to anything that can assess its validity.
Of course, these men are not monsters, but how can you know their possible "humanity" through their speeches?

It is not the speeches that count, anyone can actually say anything (hence your signature) a biblical maxim says "we recognize a tree by its fruits" when these fruits can ripen.
The most important thing is that although they can be worn sincerely towards this or that particular inclination (which may be agreeable to many who find their interest in it), the common denominator of their acts, all trends combined, is the exaltation of what leads inexorably to ecocide * (the famous trilogy: growth, employment, GDP). Indeed, the main part of their divergences rests only on the distribution of the abstract values ​​produced.

Inevitably! "paradise" and its perfection is not here below.
What do you propose to replace what currently exists?

* And, very logically, it is those who manage to convince the opinion that they will be most effective in this area who are elected

Not necessarily ! The last elected holds more of a discard for fear of the worse than a real adhesion with a constrained reduced choice.
Going from 24 to 66% is not the sign of conviction which would then manifest itself in the 1st round (without counting the abstentions) the famous plague or cholera!
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