Alcohol and mortality: 50 000 deaths per year in France

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by chatelot16 » 07/03/13, 00:26

there is much more dangerous than alcohol: dihydrogen monoxide ... we find this terrible product everywhere ... including in wine

http://www.dhmo.org/translations/french ... oxide.html
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canular_du ... og%C3%A8ne
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by Janic » 07/03/13, 08:35

indeed with as always this evocation (closer to an invocation elsewhere):
because of its importance in the economic life of the country.
to the dangers inherent in the product itself, our self-destructive society adds its personal note to it.
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by raymon » 07/03/13, 10:42

The so-called beneficial effects are illusory because they only last for the passage of alcohol in the blood (as a fluidifier) ​​and to have constant effects it would be necessary to boil all day and night.


The studies that I have read clearly stated that the effective dose was 2 glasses per day. But actually if polyphenols are the only interest of wine it might be worth taking only the molecule with another source.
We must also ask the question of the weight of the lobbies in these studies.

Polyphenols are present in various natural substances: in the form of anthocyanin in red fruits, red wine (in relation to tannins, phenomenon of the "French Paradox"), in the form of proanthocyanidins in chocolate12 and wine, cafeoylquinic and feruloylquinic acids in coffee, flavonoids in citrus, and in the form of catechins such as epigallocatechin-3-gallate in green tea, quercetin in apples, onions, red wine, etc.
According to a study carried out with volunteers via the Internet, the food sources of polyphenols are mainly coffee (36,9%), tea - green or black - (33,6%), chocolate for its cocoa (10,4, 7,2%), red wine (6,7%) and fruit (13%) XNUMX.

Turmeric for example is one of the best sources of antioxidants with fewer side effects than wine.
When I drink a glass of red from time to time I really appreciate it!
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by Janic » 07/03/13, 10:56

raymon hello
When I drink a glass of red from time to time I really appreciate it!
if only it did not go beyond! However the taste is not only cultural, but is mentally related to places, circumstances, habits, emotions, fashions, like the consumption of strong alcohol in certain young people, etc ... and it is generally this mechanism which causes the consumption of a product (alcohol or other) To this can be added feelings of frustration as in the post-war period where, following the shortage, the consumption of various products went to overconsumption by compensatory effect . The human brain is complex. :?
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by raymon » 07/03/13, 15:48

Yes consumption is cultural it is also essential for many to party. It is true that the euphoric and desinibating effect of alcohol is interesting but the damage caused at the end is catastrophic.

the worst damage we can see is in Native American societies where everything is destroyed by alcohol.
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by Janic » 07/03/13, 17:43

no need to go that far, for years we, France, have been the biggest consumers of alcohol in the world, we have fallen to 14 ° in the world rank I think.
indeed it is this disinhibiting effect which also opens the door to violence, rape, unconscious driving, etc ...
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by the middle » 08/03/13, 09:35

Hello,
For me, alcohol = drugs, need to escape.
I believe that before, alcohol was also a physical painkiller.
Now, it is used most often to escape from reality.
And the current reality is, for me, in my eyes, very sad.
I believe that we must go further in this discussion, not be limited to road accidents, or suicides, or murders, we must find the reason for the current malaise.
The answer is in the question : Cheesy:
alcohol or drugs are not the problem, it is the current lifestyle that is the problem.
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by Janic » 08/03/13, 09:44

lejustemilieu hello
The alcohol problem is almost as old as the world.
Alcohol is the unintended result of a mode of conservation to fill the food holes of the off seasons, either by conservation by drying the product, or by preserving it in juice in containers. However, certain containers (depending on the material, temperature, humidity, etc .; promote fermentation and the final product consumed has produced these known effects which alcohol provides and which, effectively, makes it possible to unhook in front of certain problems of life (in fact by postponing them until later when the effects of alcohol have disappeared). For ill-being, certain cultures prohibit alcohol and problems find a solution in another way (such as by faith, prayer , meditation, mutual aid, etc ...)
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by raymon » 08/03/13, 11:26

I believe that we must go further in this discussion, not be limited to road accidents, or suicides, or murders, we must find the reason for the current malaise.

Totally agree that refuge in alcohol is for many a means of "getting out" of this system which destroys everything. He better try for example to change things at his small level. To find his solution.
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Re: Alcohol and mortality: 50 000 deaths per year in France




by Christophe » 18/02/18, 12:42

Agnes Buzyn and radicalization

Jacques Dupont, author of the book “Invignez-vous” published in 2013, reacts to the controversy aroused by the recent statements by Agnès Buzyn Minister of Health.


“The wine industry suggests today that wine is different from other alcohols. In terms of public health, it is exactly the same as drinking wine, beer, vodka or whiskey. »What happened to Agnes Buzyn? How did she transform herself into a hygienist integrist to the point of praising total abstinence as the only remedy for alcoholism. What preacher transformed the one who, not so long ago, pleaded for an intelligent medical-compatible consumption, in lining of an integrist Claude Got (pleonasm)? Why did this brilliant woman devoid of the oversized ego of the famous professor “master of thinking” (as he defined himself) joined the clan of those who want “the happiness of others” without their consent? This attack by the Minister of Health made on France 2, but already started well before, was certainly more than "moderate" by Édouard Philippe in the National Assembly. Some even mentioned a severe reframing of the minister by the head of government recalling: "The importance of what wine is, the culture of the vine, the attachment of the French to this product. Which we can say without question that it occupies a special place in the imagination and French culture. "

But beyond the incident itself, this rise observed for three decades of militant hygiene poses a number of questions. Let's forget for a moment, the economic role of wine and its weight as well as that of cognac in our exports as demonstrated by the latest figures published last week. It is more about thinking about the society in which we want to evolve and the role of each. It is the duty of doctors to alert and inform about the risks that our deviations can cost our health. But there is a Rubicon not to be crossed, the one that Jules Romain so well brought to light with the character of Knock who little by little traps the population of a village in a flawless retiary in the name of "medical age can start… ”This is the passage from advice, from advice to obligation. This is what Claude Got - again him -, gone from the amphitheater to the corridors of the ministries, summed up with these words: "Make society evolve in the direction corresponding to my ideas." As early as the 90s, Philippe Muray, drawing a vitriol of a portrait of the person concerned - "Terrorizing puppet of Well-Being" - warned of the dangers of conquering hygiene, the ogre of freedoms. By these recent declarations, Agnès Buzyn leaves her habit of minister to put on that of an activist of a collective religion not to say collectivist where the freedom of each must disappear in favor of a "common interest" which, at the horizon, looks like life in a sweet barracks where the only tolerated pleasures should be measured by a kind of medical standard meter.

“Social and moral issues are gradually entering the field of health. Today, medicine invades all spheres of existence: childbirth, sexuality, physical appearance, mood, aging, andropause, menopause, sport, nutrition, addictions, etc. There are treatments and medicines for everything, industries to produce them, doctors to offer them, patients to claim them ”, noted in 2015 Guy Sabourin about the book Pouvoir medical et santé totalitaire by socio-anthropologist Sanni Yaya, Associate Professor of Economics and International Health in the Interdisciplinary School of Health Sciences at the University of Ottawa. The danger of this "medico-centrism" is that it sweeps away all other arguments. You talk about the pleasure of sharing a good wine with a friend and you are told misery, alcoholism and 49 deaths. Statistics, even dubious, because this figure advanced by an epidemiologist is based on an estimate based on consumption and not on clinical assessments, comes as a final conclusion to any discussion. The emotion of the television sets and statistics at the service of collective well-being against any desire to defend individual freedom. “An ideology threatens us, which I call pan-medicalism; an entire civilization centered on medicine, which would make health the sovereign good - and therefore therapy the only wisdom or religion that counts, ”writes the philosopher André Comte-Sponville.

The perfect man was the dream of Eugenics at the end of the 80th century. We know that it is at least a bland dream and at worst a dangerous dream. Moderation does not exist: yes Madam Minister you are right. A society is made of excess, people who do not control themselves, unhappy people suffering from lack and continually in search of everything and anything that can fill it, and others on the contrary who control themselves and live in balance like the father of Albert Camus saying to his son: "a man, that is prevented". We must admit the diversity, the richness, but also the danger, accept it by denouncing the bad sides and fight them with something other than a sort of medical wadding of the whole society. But it is also necessary to accept that living is also that. That reasoning with spectacular statistics or cathodic emotions is neither serious, dignified, nor effective. An example. To claim in defense of 3 km / h on the roads that those who criticize this measure have never known the nightmare of the telephone call of the firefighters or gendarmes at 10 am, as we read on Twitter recently, is perfectly ashamed. Let us sincerely pity those to whom it has unfortunately happened, but do not confuse action and emotion. Who can believe that young people who are heavily alcoholic or under the influence of drugs will change their driving behavior because the speed has been lowered by XNUMX km / hour?

Rather than looking for effective technical measures or strengthening educational ones, we once again prefer to play on morality and its spectacular corollary. In the same register, fits the age-old demand of the ANPAA (in short the anti-alcoholic league which Madame Buzyn is quite close), in favor of an increase in wine taxes! This is very surprising, because the ANPAA is directed by a psychiatrist and counts many practitioners of this specialty among its members. Is alcoholism a vice that could be combated with prohibitions and taxes or an illness that should be treated with medication and listening. If it is a vice why so many psychiatrists to fight it, public authority is enough. But we know it is a disease. It translates a lack in the construction of a personality, a lack which must be filled and which obliges the patient to find crutches. It could be alcohol and many other things. The drugs, baclofen as demonstrated so well by doctor Olivier Ameisen, help to stop addiction. But this is not enough to heal. The alcoholologist and the psychiatrist are there to try to identify the shortage and try with the patient to repair it. It is not the culprit or the patient who drinks alcohol. And hygienic morality is not the remedy either.

Other questions arise from reading this quote from Agnes Buzyn and the words used. "The wine industry" already. Right when the "milk industry" through Lactalis is strongly questioned ... A coincidence? As if the Minister could ignore that the vast majority of wine is not an industry, but an agricultural product closer to the craft than to the factory. As if by choosing this term, she wanted to tell us that industrialists comparable to those of tobacco or drugs were acting behind the scenes to divert our abused fellow citizens from the right path. A sort of fifth column of cabernet and pinot acting as a saboteur of the health of the French.

Without wishing to be controversial, when one is a minister in charge of health and a doctor and one knows the weight of the "drug industry" he is, as in Reichshoffen, charges that should be avoided. Then this antigen hygienist on the perfect similarity "in terms of public health" of wine, vodka, etc. All have in common the "alcohol molecule". We have heard this a hundred times, among people who, it seems, do not know the difference between a Klaxon concert on a bottling day and the second Allegretto movement of the seventh symphony of Beethoven. All this is noise ... What more to say to someone who does not understand the pleasure, the enjoyment of a good wine, the happiness of sharing, the truth of gastronomy. Really did it happen to Agnès Buzyn? Is the ministry canteen so infective that it forgets the taste for good things?


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