The memeplexes (ideologies) tend to be mutually exclusive, hence the triphonic remark. However, religion (especially Catholic) can be seen as a precursor of techno-scientism, in the sense that God "made man in his image", a word which would have been reckless if it did not have an underlying meaning. which had to be fulfilled. Indeed, the death of God would logically follow, as well as the deification of Man, the self-proclaimed demiurge.
In the USA, this debunking was not required because of the importance and the multiplicity of Protestant sects, compatible with the atomic subject of the market: everyone is free to choose a comfortable and self-justifying belief (we praise the Lord and in return, he grants us his protection and sanctifies our actions: it's a good deal!).
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by having taken, in advance, a comfortable insurance; we never know!(we praise the Lord and in return he grants us his protection and sanctifies our acts: it's a good deal!).
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Janic wrote:by having taken, in advance, a comfortable insurance; we never know!(we praise the Lord and in return he grants us his protection and sanctifies our acts: it's a good deal!).
Like that for insurance?
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Ahmed wrote:... However, religion (especially Catholic) can be seen as a precursor of techno-scientism, in the sense that God "made man in his image", a word that would have been imprudent if it did not have a meaning underlying that had to be fulfilled. Indeed, the death of God would logically follow, as well as the deification of Man, self-proclaimed demiurge ...
There was no "deification" of man but only man's faith in himself to solve his problems, unlike in the previous era, when it was necessary to rely on God for everything and anything, phase in which there are still Muslims who cannot line up 2 sentences in placing a "God willing".
It is through science that this faith of man in himself has come about. If physical phenomena obey mathematical laws, which was evident with Galileo by his measurements of motion of a ball on an inclined plane and the laws he deduced from it, then later with Newton, then nature is a knowable mechanism and man can act on it by learning to know it. This came timidly, we should not offend religion, so the argument was that since God had given a brain to man (I speak in general, not everyone is concerned ), then it is because God wanted man to use it to discover the world he had made.
This humanist and scientific phase is in the process of extinction. An obscurantist movement claims today that the artificial, therefore everything that comes from this humanism and this science, would only bring desolation, while everything that is natural would necessarily be better. This obscurantist movement therefore advocates a step backwards where man "would respect" nature, that is to say in fact, where it would be its master and where any inclination to transform it would be repressed, since the impact on it would be. necessarily bad.
Needless to say the inconsistency of this position since it claims to organize societies in the name of a human ideal, while claiming that humans only know how to bitch the planet and that we cannot trust them. So why should we when it is also the human being who proposes a new ideology? Quite simply because after the science and humanism episode, here we are back in the arbitrariness of religion, ecologism and its sacred goddess, Nature.
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And the worst is that this performance of people of the building returning from their training in distance, is also preparing in aeronautics, according to what I read in the thread "EELV controversy on the Air and dreams of children "...
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once again this is not the right topic for this subject, but ....!
a) The gods in question are not there to solve our social problems, any more than a car manufacturer is there to police
b) To rely on God is like relying on nature and its laws - any other way of appealing to something other than man himself? Hence this reflection that " nature did things right Like god finally, white cap white cap. And for those who do not involve nature, there is still chance " who does things so well " too
So god, nature, chance, apart from a particular semantics the difference is impossible to make., Which brings us back to various cultures and beliefs… .if god wants it…. Obviously!
Whereas a good manufacturer (in an uneconomic ideal) designs his vehicles so as not to break down or to be broken since there are laws in mechanics too. Laws enacted, in the maintenance books, to prevent breakage, not to prevent it.
Except that the mechanics are of an obvious simplicity unlike the living (nature) which is of an extreme complexity, and human tinkering only has the effect of doing worse than certain so-called natural events!
Discovering this world could not be more laudable, polluting it, destroying it, it is much less and unfortunately it is the second aspect that is generally prevalent today!
humanism
masculine noun
PHILOSOPHY
Theory, doctrine which places the human person and his development above all other values.
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Renaissance movement, characterized by an effort to raise the dignity of the human spirit and enhance it, and a return to Greco-Latin roots
Absurd reflection as usual due to a deep ignorance of the subject.Exnihiloest »14/05/21, 19:59There was no "deification" of man but only man's faith in himself to solve his problems, unlike in the previous era, when it was necessary to rely on God for everything and anything, phase in which there are still Muslims who cannot line up 2 sentences in placing a "God willing"Ahmed wrote: ... However, religion (especially Catholic) can be seen as a precursor of techno-scientism, in the sense that God "made man in his image", a word that would have been imprudent if it did not had no underlying meaning that needed to be fulfilled. Indeed, the death of God would logically follow, as well as the deification of Man, self-proclaimed demiurge ...
a) The gods in question are not there to solve our social problems, any more than a car manufacturer is there to police
b) To rely on God is like relying on nature and its laws - any other way of appealing to something other than man himself? Hence this reflection that " nature did things right Like god finally, white cap white cap. And for those who do not involve nature, there is still chance " who does things so well " too
So god, nature, chance, apart from a particular semantics the difference is impossible to make., Which brings us back to various cultures and beliefs… .if god wants it…. Obviously!
Indeed, just as man can learn mechanics to better understand the operation of his vehicle, or even repair it ... when he himself has broken it.It is through science that this faith of man in himself has come about. If physical phenomena obey mathematical laws, which was evident with Galileo by his measurements of motion of a ball on an inclined plane and the laws he deduced from it, then later with Newton, then nature is a knowable mechanism and man can act on it by learning to know it.
Whereas a good manufacturer (in an uneconomic ideal) designs his vehicles so as not to break down or to be broken since there are laws in mechanics too. Laws enacted, in the maintenance books, to prevent breakage, not to prevent it.
Except that the mechanics are of an obvious simplicity unlike the living (nature) which is of an extreme complexity, and human tinkering only has the effect of doing worse than certain so-called natural events!
Ah, ah, she is very good! The religions established by men are like industries established, so to provide products according to user demands (or to provoke them) is business and religions are part of it. However, we must not confuse the intention to serve with the way of doing it.This came timidly, we should not offend religion, so the argument was that since God had given man a brain (I speak in general, not everyone is concerned), then it is that God wanted man to use it to discover the world he had made.
Discovering this world could not be more laudable, polluting it, destroying it, it is much less and unfortunately it is the second aspect that is generally prevalent today!
It is necessarily better, provided you are not mistaken about the meaning of this wordThis humanist and scientific phase is in the process of extinction. An obscurantist movement claims today that the artificial, therefore everything that comes from this humanism and this science, would only bring desolation, while everything that is natural would necessarily be better.
And here is the conclusion which precisely deifies man as lord and master, to make his surrounding environment his subject, his slave, corvable, pollutable at will in the name of a false humanism since almost exclusively based on the unlimited exploitation of goods, of which he is not the owner, to do what he wants with them in the name of a pseudo technocratic science.This obscurantist movement therefore advocates a step backwards where man "would respect" nature, that is to say in fact, where it would be its master and where any inclination to transform it would be repressed, since the impact on it would be necessarily bad.
Simply because we recognize a tree by its fruits, not by its pretensions (hell is paved with good intentions, they say!) For the moment he actually sluts her in the sole name of immediate profit and he does not it is not about humans, in general, but about a few humans at the helm of a world focused on dough and only dough (because they have for god mamon) that is to say money, profit to everything price.Needless to say the inconsistency of this position since it claims to organize societies in the name of a human ideal, while claiming that humans only know how to bitch the planet and that we cannot trust them.
Or rather pseudohumanism!So why should we when it is also the human being who proposes a new ideology? Quite simply because after the science and humanism episode,
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Renaissance movement, characterized by an effort to raise the dignity of the human spirit and enhance it, and a return to Greco-Latin roots
It is therefore arbitrary for the arbitrariness of materialism; when the individual believes that everything is due to him, free of charge, without limit and without consequences for himself.here we are back in the arbitrariness of religion, ecologism and its sacred goddess, Nature.
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I had no intention of answering, but as the credo of Thryphon can be seen as humor in the second degree ...
Contrary to its superficial conclusions, Christianity was a preparatory phase for the subsequent development of technoscience (rehabilitation of work, instrumentalization of nature, continuation of divine work) and does not constitute itself as an antagonistic structure. Besides, if Galilee was (softly) rebuked by the papacy, it is only for having taught heliocentrism as a theory and not as a hypothesis (it had not yet demonstrated it); in the same era, Brown Jordan was burned alive for contesting religious dogma!
Another stage of this religion was Protestantism: in the regions where it spread the expansion was at the rendezvous and where it was excluded, it was either the competitive regression (Catholic States of the south) or the structural atheism in France. Traces are still visible of the influence of religion on the modes of production.
As for ecologism, it also constitutes a phase of capitalism allowing, paradoxically, the continuation of the expansion of the technosphere ... There is continuity and coherence between these successive events which reflect the evolution in progress and the little place that we hold there as actors conscious!
Contrary to its superficial conclusions, Christianity was a preparatory phase for the subsequent development of technoscience (rehabilitation of work, instrumentalization of nature, continuation of divine work) and does not constitute itself as an antagonistic structure. Besides, if Galilee was (softly) rebuked by the papacy, it is only for having taught heliocentrism as a theory and not as a hypothesis (it had not yet demonstrated it); in the same era, Brown Jordan was burned alive for contesting religious dogma!
Another stage of this religion was Protestantism: in the regions where it spread the expansion was at the rendezvous and where it was excluded, it was either the competitive regression (Catholic States of the south) or the structural atheism in France. Traces are still visible of the influence of religion on the modes of production.
As for ecologism, it also constitutes a phase of capitalism allowing, paradoxically, the continuation of the expansion of the technosphere ... There is continuity and coherence between these successive events which reflect the evolution in progress and the little place that we hold there as actors conscious!
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