2012 energize the campaign: Simple Ideas

[clasou]

Hello everyone,
The purpose of this post is to ask if it would not be possible to direct the debate for 2012.
The reason, I heard interviews of christine boutin, corinne lepage (MEP and quite a lot of discussion in brussels), but one as well as the other and may know that it can not exist that before the first round, it also pronounced for the exit of the nuclear, but I will say which undergoes the effect of the roller of the three others, and can hardly leave the row.
So the idea is eventually suggested to them topics or ideas, which during their speaking time could help broaden the debate.
Let me explain, for the moment have a
the ump and the socialists who are debating hundreds of billions of cheap shots, and anyway "we can't do much".
Have the green doubts about being one of the two in the second round, and so their goal is to try to make a place for themselves (since it will always be taken for them).
Unless I'm mistaken, the reimbursements of expenses are subject to the votes that each candidate will have.
So my idea if the "losers in advance had innovative and easily achievable ideas", I mean by a lower cost, he could jostle the greens fearing for their votes, who would be forced to react, and therefore to perhaps react above them.
Well it's true there are so many.

I am always fond of small things, because as they said "one of yours is worth more than two you will have"

The ideas of the moment.

I asked myself the question which is more energy-consuming, and in which case the state, the regional council and departmental councils could intervene.
The first sncf, I do not know how much but the tgv to do paris marseille, but put 30 minutes or an hour more will not change much, some time ago it was question of new trains, or each car will propel itself allowing an economy. So I think that over the year and the number of links will save a few watt. After adjusting the size at the time of the year, even two floors, and it will avoid making new lgv.

The insulation, many would do a lot of work but it is expensive, the idea and say that 30% comes out the roof.
I do not know the average bills of the French for heating but say 1500 euros, there is a new glass wool pulsable, I think for 20 cm, on 100 m2 .Il would be less for 500 materials.
Especially if one assumes that the state will make a moral commitment with the suppliers, that large volumes would be ordered, that it would be possible to ride them by train.
The condition, as for pulverized tanks, why not to add the army that will go to people, concerned once a lot in the same neighborhood will spray, and the bill would be only 25% of materials, which if the investment would be low, the return on investment could be one winter. Foreign trade would be better and the co2 too.
And suppose that at worst two million households did that, it would cost the state barely a billion.

To feed myself, same idea, by my home there must be a hundred houses, which were built in two years, so to speak nobody does garden.
The idea rather than having, hundreds of square meters of lawn lost, except sometimes banana trees, olive trees, palm trees.
Why not submit to them the idea you plant 4 different fruit trees, only one billed. At the level of France not a big investment, more need of advertising to say eat fruit, and a few kilos of co2 stored.

As I said I am for individual gestures that put end to end can do big.
Some will certainly be tempted to talk about isolation from the outside, except that people do not want to put several thousand euros and wait 10 or 15 years to start to feel savings.
On the other hand put 200 euros, and can be considered happy with his choice the second year.
Forgot the mistakes, and let go, you have to wait 5 years more.
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[Exceed]

Why not submit to them the idea you plant 4 different fruit trees, only one billed. At the level of France not a big investment, more need of advertising to say eat fruit, and a few kilos of co2 stored.

And bin me, I say: Why the green spaces of the communes are planted only stuff that is not eaten? Why not put fruit, vegetables ???

[clasou]

Hello, exceed,
At least one who feels concerned, only by something other than great theories.
Yes agree with you, it would be so beautiful, by my home he did it a year or on the roundabouts there were cabbage tomatoes and other stuff, obviously people have picked up, logical, well they have not started again.
A family can be that did not get to make ends meet, thin they did not see their artistic side .
There are elections also at home in 2012
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[Christophe]

Why green spaces of the towns are planted only stuff that is not eaten? Why not put fruit, vegetables ???

Guess, the answer is trivial: maybe, free picking, because they would not have time to push!

One can make the same remark with the urban trees: the fruit trees are very rare ... surely for reasons of accidents ... or cleaning of the roads!

Example: A playground near my home was installed in a former apple orchard.

Well, most apples eventually rot on the ground ... proof that people, even in the country, do not care ... (well I tasted one or 2 it's true that it is more apples to juice than chew but all the same ...)

Also in our society of consumption, growth, money and it is regrettable: nothing can be "free" ... among urbanites even more than elsewhere! People don't understand that they can use ...

[clasou]

Hello Christophe.
It's true that people like to bark, but not to bite. "Ref to the saying of dogs".

Well now, do not say apples are bad and I do not know how many there are.
But the mayor or other association, could harvest them by making cider or juice, and make as at home once a year a meal for the elders.

It may be enough to just submit the idea.

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[Did67]

To feed myself, same idea, by my home there must be a hundred houses, which were built in two years, so to speak nobody does garden.
The idea rather than having, hundreds of square meters of lawn lost, except sometimes banana trees, olive trees, palm trees.
Why not submit to them the idea you plant 4 different fruit trees, only one billed. At the level of France not a big investment, more need of advertising to say eat fruit, and a few kilos of co2 stored.


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1) On the one hand, as you say, thousands of pavilions, thousands of lawns, thousands of lawn mowers every Saturday and even the morning morning, and the neighboring neighborhoods: the archetype of society where chaun is in his rails, goes into the wall but no one raises the nose

2) private gardens: you don't want the state or the army to do the garden at home ??? So this example is not for "politicians". It is each Frenchman who must be dismissed because of his contradictions. One of the major contradictions being to ask for "organic canteens at school" (meaning "free"), but to continue your lawn at home!

3) The ovary gardens (and other movements), have for a long time observed, however, a drastic recrudescence of the demana, with queues waiting. Some start by dividing, not without pain, the plot in two (the observation shows that often only a small half is cultivated, the rest is used for a shed for the weekend, a lawn for the barbecue).

There, it is a real subject for the politqiues: a ha on the edge of town, provided with mains services and resold to a real estate developer is worth a fortune; "loaned" to a worker so that he can cultivate his vegetables, he brings nothing!

4) Nevertheless there are multiple examples that show that an awareness takes place, up to including a part of the Paris ring road, covered (at a golden price) and landscaped with some gardens ...

[clasou]

Hi did67.
2) No, I do not say that the arpmée must come to mow at your place.
The idea is if the politician decided to really make a choice for saving energy.
Since for people to join, it should not be a matter of money, the army being paid by our taxes, there are quite a few on the whole territory.

So an example I hope it will be clearer, say that if we take the cellulose wadding, if we except the settlement, we must 1 12.5kg bag for 20 cm on two square meters.
So let's say 50 bags for a house that's two palettes and a half 80 * 120
On a trailer truck you put 40.
So if you have 17 customers, it arrives with the pulseuse and it injects at each one and it cashes, which allows to be sure that there is no shenanigans, directly installed avoids all the administrative steps.

In terms of trees ditto, many more fruit, we will require solar panels, one day why not include 4 trees (cherry, plum, pear, apple) to try to cover the season and you sell at quarter of price.At least he will catch co2, after free people to eat or not.

The basic idea as I said is that there is a good chance that at 2012 and nuclear level, the debate is going around in circles, and that if one of the contenders, announced for example the idea on isolation, maybe many would not, saying it's cheap.
But especially if the journalist takes again the idea and that surveys raise a small, it will displease and the big ones will interest maybe.
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[Did67]

To feed myself, same idea, by my home there must be a hundred houses, which were built in two years, so to speak nobody does garden.
The idea rather than having, hundreds of square meters of lawn lost, except sometimes banana trees, olive trees, palm trees.
Why not submit to them the idea you plant 4 different fruit trees, only one billed. At the level of France not a big investment, more need of advertising to say eat fruit, and a few kilos of co2 stored.

I made an (easy) amalgam between this "proposal" and indeed the isolation by the army ...

I just wanted to stress that not everything depends on "policies".

In this example, you're not going to tell me that when you build or build a house to say at least 200 000 euros, you need help to buy 4 fruit (max 200 euros!)?

You're not going to tell me that for these people (I do not speak of homeless), in the family budget there is no way to save the equivalent ???

Asking to subsidize what should go without saying is also misguiding political action.

No, what needs to change is the very idea that a well mown lawn is pretty ...

And there alas, I do not think that the "policies" will be able to prevent people from being a little stupid, from being very addicting to Iphones (much more expensive than 4 fruit trees!) But so much sexier (I take out my Iphone c is like: "you saw it, my big cock! You don't have such a big one eh?")

PS: that does not mean that one should not, on all occasions, preach in this direction. Simply, let's not mix up "political action" (which should only concern major decisions concerning "living together in the city") and "making everyone aware" of their personal actions ...

[clasou]

Yes, I know, and agree with you.
But two things, the first is that people even if their home costs 200 000 euros, will tend to subscribe to trees, because they will have the impression to make a good deal, and that will offset the fact of telling the neighbor to look at my lawn is better shaved than yours.

Just look at people who buy 300 liter liter reserves. To do in time, but who if he calculates will see that it may take 50 years to depreciate.

For the politicians, yes it should. But it's easier to stay in the debate in 20 or 25 years we will have more than 50% can be so, although ......

Now, many follow and swear by what he hears in the paper, and the politicians adore it.
What I mean can always talk about the philosophy, or the price we waste or not about iterating. But we can also try to sprout small ideas.

The other time I had launched the idea of ​​the garden of which we would donate (production), associations.
I'm happy because in the ecolomag or the age of doing, I saw a site that is mounted in July apparently, and offers to put people (free) who have a garden but a beautiful lawn in relation with others, who would like to produce but do not have any (by giving up part of the harvest).
good 10 case I think, but can be a report and it will be in, to adopt this system, so a small stream ............

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[Christophe]

No, what needs to change is the very idea that a well mown lawn is pretty ...

Well yeah !!

And in this regard I expect, since 2009, your photos, mine are here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/concours-j ... t8044.html